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30 Oct 1999 2
Bothel, King, Washington 1
Beaver, UT 3

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Full Name:
Elmer Holdroyd Smith 1
Elmer H Smith 4
Age in 1930: 25 4
11 Aug 1904 1
Beaver, UT 1
Male 1
Estimated Birth Year: 1905 4
30 Oct 1999 2
Bothel, King, Washington 3
Beaver, UT 2
Place: SALT LAKE County, Utah 4
From: 1930 4
Enumeration District: SALT LAKE CITY, WARD 5 4
Mother: Elizabeth Alice Bradshaw 1
Father: John Thomas Smith 1
Ethel Walker 3
11 Jul 1928 3
Salt Lake, Utah 3
To: Civil Marriage 3
Position: Worked at Sulpher Mill 3
Place: Sulpherdale, Utah 3
Position: Smelter Work 3
Place: McGill, Nevada 3

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Birth, Life, Family

Beaver, UT

ELMER HOLROYD SMITH--First child of John Thomas Smith (Middle name is after his great grandmother Ellen Holroyd Bradshaw)

Elmer was born in Beaver, Utah August 11, 1904 and was the second grand child but first grandson of John Andrew and Charlotte Smith.

He was a healthy, intelligent and beautiful child with brown curly hair which his mother kept in ringlets until he was 4 or 5 years old which was the custom.

A review of his schooling indicates that Beaver City or County was having problems supplying school houses. He started school when he was six years old in 1910 the year that the first part of the Belknap elementary school was completed. His kindergarten class started in the Park Building which was the pink rock building on the corner south of the Belknap building. The class was then moved to the room over the boiler room of the new building. Others will remember that this room was used for kindergarten or first grade for a number of years. When he was ready to go to high school the ninth grade or first year high school went to some portables near the new high school building which was in progress. He entered the Murdock Academy, the L. D. S. Church owned high school near the mouth of the canyon, for his second and third years. The new high school building was completed in 1922 so the Church closed the Academy and he completed the fourth year as a member of the first graduating class from the new high school. He was valedictorian of the class of 13 and always said he was the 13th graduate of the High School.

Elmer worked at McGill, Nevada during the summer of 1923 for the Consoliidated Copper Company to finance entry to Brigham Young University in the fall of 1923. Sickness in the family forced a layout of school for the year 1924-1925. He worked at various jobs during this year including a period during the summer of 1924 at Sulphurdale. He enrolled again at Brigham Young University in the fall of 1925 with employment on the campus to provide the way. He graduated in 1928 with a B. S. degree in physics and mathematics as majors.

After graduating from B. Y. U. he was employed by the Utah Power & Light Co. in Salt Lake City, Utah. He was transferred to Provo, Utah in 1930 to do specialized electrical plans and write specifications for the architects located in the Company's southern division. Provo, the third largest city on the Power Co. system, won a municipal election and installed their own electric plant and with many other employees he was laid off. He moved to Seattle, Washington in 1940 with employment at Westinghouse Electric Supply Co. and remained with them until he retired at age 65.

He has been active in the Church as Ward Clerk, a Bishop's Counselor, in Stake Sunday School Superintendency and Library Director for the Stake.

He married Ethel Walker in July 1928 and they had three children, as follows:

Elwyn Lugene is a dentist and lives in Euphrata, Washington. He married Shirley Jean Hansen and they have three boys, Randal Scott, Morgan Dean and Kelvin. His wife Shirley was killed in an automobile accident in Idaho enroute to attend the Church April conference in 1967, Elwyn was a counselor to the Bishop at the time. Elwyn married Helen Titensor in September 1970.

A baby girl died three days after birth in 1930.

Eleana married Dale Hurst at the close of the school year when she graduated from the B. Y. U. They live in Mountain Terrace, a town near Seattle, Washington. They have four daughters, Elizabeth Ann, Melanie, Dayleen and Jeannine and an L. D. S. Ward family as Dale is the Bishop.

Life Story of Elmer Holroyd Smith

Alderwood Manor, Washington



As  told to his daughter, Eleana Smith Hurst

March of 1994


     I was born in Beaver, Utah...Beaver, Beaver County in Utah, August 11, 1904.  I was born in the home of my Grandfather John Andrew and Charlotte Swindlehurst Smith.  I was the first child born to John Thomas and Elizabeth Alice Bradshaw Smith.  My parents eventually had eleven children - nine males and two female.  My siblings in order of birth are Jasper Bradshaw, LaRilla, Earl Thomas, Alden X, Bertha Alice, Eldred John, Venar, Delvin, Milton George, and Leland Orvin.  I am presently in my ninetieth year (89 1/2).  Of my brothers and sisters Bertha, Eldred, Venar, Delvin and Leland are still living.


     I have a picture of myself, Jasper and LaRilla.  I’m the taller one with the long ringlets.  That picture was taken just before I turned six.  My ringlets weren’t cut off until just before I went to school.

I was glad to have them cut off in a way because I got quite a bettering by the boys when I was going to church and so on.


     I didn’t start school until I was six years old and I went right into first grade.  I didn’t get into kindergarten because I was suffering pneumonia at that point.  I was out of school for quite a period there.  Very sick.


I attended Belnap school … it was the grade school in Beaver.  It was a one teacher school.  The

Students were divided into two groups.  One group had been in kindergarten and the other section were the ones that it was their first year in school… because of  age differences.  If you were born before a certain time why you went in with this one class, but if you were born after that, which August 11 was the date, you’d be in the other class.  That school was built in 1910 and that was 1910 when I started school.  I have a picture of it.  The main building was occupied.  They had us meeting over top of the boiler room, which was a building out back and it had a loft above and we were meeting in that building. And I think that I remember that there was quite a discussion about us meeting in that room.  It went on and on and on for quite a little period of time before anything was done about it, but the decision was that since the school year was coming close to the end, we’d continue meeting there, but there would never be school over the boiler room again.  It was kind of dangerous.


     My favorite teacher in school was the one I had in about fourth or fifth grade.  It was the grade where we were finishing up our times tables.  And her name was Amelia Dean.  She taught everything.,  We did have one other teacher that came in on special subjects which I don’t remember.


     We mostly had women teachers.  However I do know that there were men teachers in the upper grades, which went to eighth grade.  Another thing that was interesting about that, after we got out of kindergarten into first grade, when you went to school, there was a big cement platform, which is still in existence at that building, out in front.  You’d line up according to class out on that platform and you marched into the school.  Yes, we did have the pledge of allegiance.




    I didn’t have any particular favorite subject.  The one I liked the best, cause it seemed like it came rather easy to me was Math.  But it was a little bit difficult, but my teacher gave me a key on multiplication tables which seems to have come in handy.  She had a certain way of doing that and it seemed like a good way.


     There were a few games that we’d like to play, mostly whatever the teacher would generate…

There was one game I was called Pomp Pomp Pull Away.  You lined up in a line and had a target person out in front and they would start toward the line to tag somebody … they were coming up to pull someone away from the line and you made a duck to get passed them to make the goal.  That’s one of the games we played.  I kind of excelled in that a little bit.  I’d get away.

They had to double up to get me.  The later years of grade school they’d play baseball.


     There was no high school at Beaver at that time.  Murdock Academy was down there.  It was at the mouth of the canyon …  just two miles from our house.  The high school building was just being built, but they had some portable buildings scattered on the back of the yard.  They had their finish materials for the building stored in some of the buildings.  I went to school there that first year of high school … going down there rather than walk up to the canyon.  I decided that was one of the biggest mistakes I ever made.  The reason was that we never knew whether we had a teacher or not.  The math teacher changed three times during that year.  They had one teacher down there and she taught some languages, including French.  She stayed about a month and a half to two months and left, and then that class was discontinued.  The Math teachers we had in there were very unprepared for their job.  One I remember stuttered enough that you could hardly figure out  what he was talking about.  Well, he was kind of a foreigner, I think, and he had a funny pronunciation for the terms.  And it was awful hard for me to find out what he was talking about.  And I always was a little bit unprepared to go on into the regular math classes from that time.  I had trouble from then on.  And when I was in College….. The only way I  got through college was that my brother Jasper was in the same class and he was a whiz on math.  The high school was in town then and he got good training.


     I went to the Murdock Academy for two years.  The second year they closed the Academy and so then my next school period was the Beaver High School.  And that Beaver High School was finished and dedicated in 1923.  And I graduated with the first graduating class from that school.  There were thirteen of us graduated.  And I was the thirteenth and the valedictorian of our class.  In order to get my valedictorian speech modified and that, I went to Amelia Dean and she helped me.  She worked on it with me and I went up there and shivered in my shoes.  I got away with it …..the next day I got away out of town.


    You asked about sports… we did do some baseball.  It always fell my lot to be the catcher.  The backstop guy.  This one guy was a real good pitcher, but he sure had an awful curve and I sure had a hard time trying to figure out where that ball was going to hit and I missed at times.

We usually won our positions of the field.  Only thing is I never was too good a hitter. (It takes practice, I guess)  It does take time and I didn’t have it.




     Music and dancing? I don’t know.  I don’t remember too much on dancing, but we did have a music teacher who came in twice or three times a week.  I’m not certain of that…. And they came out of Parowan, Utah.  They came up there and taught and went back...they lived in Parowan.  We learned all the scales, how to put the bass and treble clefs on, and we learned the names of the notes and the values and that.  The only thing that I know that they didn’t talk about that they should have …  if your mathematically inclined then your music is going to come a little different because all music is figured out mathematically.  And I didn’t know that until my brother (Jasper) was into college and he was taking music.  But he didn't’ know piano, but he’d make his composition out mathematically and have somebody put them on the piano.  But your middle C has a certain value …  now I don’t know that value right now … I could figure it out, I guess.  But, then all those other notes fit in a mathematical scale.


     What did we do for fun when I was a teenager?  Not much time.  We were working.  We had some chores to do … we worked the jobs … go out in the hills and get wood in and do your lessons.


     We’d do the same thing in the summer.  Get up at 3 or 3 o’clock in the morning and turn the water on in the field and watch it run down the water rows and water; and then turn it off … you only had so many hours to put it on.  It’s always darker just before the light … the dawn.


     I don’t think I ever saw a movie in Beaver.  We had some stage shows and they had some music and they had what they called the opera house.  The old opera house back there.  And they had some stage plays and I think I went to one or two of those.  I don’t remember what they were.


     Allowance?  Whatever money we had we earned.


     Yes, we had a lot of responsibilities at home.  I’d say Jasper and I took the place of the girls growing up.  Did the dishes, cleared the table.  We helped around the house.  Jasper always seemed to get to do more outside jobs.  He’d be outside and his uncles had him, cause Grandpa Smith lived

right across the street from us and he’d be out there and Uncle LeRoy was only about 2 years older than I was and he’d have Jasper over there and then Albert and Gilbert would be the same way.

They’d always pick him (Jasper) up and take him around.  (And you were stuck doing the housework) No. I was just stuffed in the corner.


     I don’t know that there were any rules or restrictions in our family.  I just know that when mother wanted us to do things, she insisted that they be done.  And we usually did it and there was no back talk that I know of.


     We lived in town, but we lived at the outer edge of town.  One more block down and you were out in the fields.  One block west. Going to the north of us, we had about 5 or 6 blocks and those blocks were big long blocks down there.  My brother Leland lives in the old house that dad built.  It was across the street from where my Grandpa lived.  I didn’t ever live out at the farm.  They acquired that after I was gone from there.  You see that after I graduated from High School, I had made arrangements, with  mother’s permission, to go with Aunt Annie, her sister out to McGill, Nevada.  They were hiring people out there and so that morning after I graduated I hopped in the car with her and I went to McGill, Nevada.






   the car with her and I went to McGill,  Nevada.


     It wasn’t my first time out of Beaver…  I’d been out as far as Milford.  I went down with Dad to  help  him haul freight up….in those days you hauled freight with a wagon.  You drove your team down, you loaded it up, you drove it clear back.  A whole days trip  going down there.  You had a long day down and a longer day back.  I went one trip with Dad clear out to this mining camp out that way and  unloaded hay.  I don’t think I was ever colder in my life than I was on that trip.  it was in the early spring and boy, it snowed and it blew and that was cold.  My dad, to get some shelter, he was standing on the double trees with the horses in front of him, where he got heat from them and he had the baled hay at his back.  I was walking most of the time to try to keep warm.   What was that camp?  I always said it was north of town and I went out that way with Randal (his grandson) on one trip when I was down there with him when he was on his route….his sales route heading for….out in Nevada there.  We went through Milford to get there….cause we were in Cedar City.  We took that road out of Cedar City up to Minersville.  I found out that mining town was west.  I said it was north and he said, “No it isn’t and I’ll show you,” so when we drove into there, I said, “I don’t remember this country at all.”


     Religious training?  We really didn’t study the scriptures as a family.  Mother and father were, well, indifferent.  Dad was afraid he’d have to say a prayer or something in front of people, get up in front or whatever that way.  He seldom, went to church.  Mother used to go to Relief Society and do visiting teaching. Some, but not always.  When you get a lot of kids why you’ve got your job cut out for you.  We always asked the blessing on the food and so on like that.  I don’t know that we ever had what you’d call a family prayer at night. I think mother was with us when we went to bed and I think Dad once in awhile, but as far as religion…. we went to church.  I  never remember Dad or Mother going to church with us.  Sometimes if it were a special meeting or something.  We kids always went.


    I worked   in the priesthood and so on….up through priest.  I passed the sacrament as a deacon.  I was a teacher, priest.  Wait a minute…...I was a priest  when I went to college.


     My parents never had any church callings that I knew about.  My great grandfather had been a bishop.  He passed away the year after I was born.  Not much contact there.  My grandfather, John Andrew, he was irregular too.  But yet he was out there working with the High Priests….. he was with them quite a lot.  But I don’t think he ever got Dad with him.


     One other note in passing, when I got to be around nineteen, just before I graduated from High School,  my dad’s cousin was in the Bishopric.  He came to me and he says, “We’ve been talking to your grandfather (Smith) and we’d like you opinion on going on a mission?  Your grandfather said he’d furnish the funds if you’d go.”  I said, “Well, let me think about it.”  My Uncle Edwin had been the only one out on a mission out of the whole family, cause Granddad’s family was irregular, very irregular on going to church.   Uncle Edwin went down to New Zealand on his mission and come back.  But all I heard all the time he was in New Zealand on his mission was it was costing them a lot of money and they felt he wasn’t doing any good….. it wasn’t worth it.




     And when I went back to Wesley Farrer, (he was a cousin of my Dad’s because his mother was a Swindlehurst), I says, “I decided, No.”  He says, “For what reason?”  I said, “For this reason, that the family is not going to beef and quarrel  and kick up a big fuss because I ‘m on a mission spending money … spending their money.  No Way.  If I go on a mission, I’ll earn the money and go.”  Dad’s not going to have it … he can’t … he’s not able.  he didn’t even get through High School.  All he was doing was menial labor all over the country.  So what can you expect?  So at that point why I just figured the thing to do is make my own way and work my things out.  I consulted with mother and told her what I ‘d done and she said, “Well, I see you point, but I haven't’ anything to say about it.”


     And then I went over to McGill, Nevada and got my money and came back by way of Beaver.  I picked up a fruit truck that delivered fruit out of Delta, Utah over to McGill and Ely.  I found out they were around and I looked them up and asked them if they were going back by way of Beaver or Milford or which way would they be going back to Delta?   Well, then I’d catch the train down there to Milford.  They said, “Yes, it would be easy to do that.  And it would be very inexpensive.”

And so when I’d get to Milford, I’d bum a ride from there to Beaver.  About that time we had some cars, people were driving … even my Grandpa Smith.  he had his car taken away from him.  Oh, I was going to tell you about when I got back to Beaver.  I had my money … I’d stored it all up because all I was paying was just a little bit of food money to my Aunt and Uncle … Annie and Herber Edwards.  Their the ones that are listed in this book here … (George Albert Irving Bradshaw family Genealogy).  They had sixteen kids.  What’s another mouth, huh!  Oh, you see I was over there when they only had three.  She was pregnant while I was there and had the child right after that.  Anyway I had my money and when I got back to Beaver, I went  in and said to mother, “I’m not sure where, but I’m sure I’m going to go to school someplace.  I want to get into school.”

And she said, “Well, Id be happy if you’d do that .”  And I said, “Well, I’d kind of thought a little about St. George.  They’ve got a little academy down there.  I could go to school down there.  Or there’s Provo.”  She said, “Well, I don’t know.”  So I ran around town a little bit and I found out a fellow by the name of Otto Baker, who I knew (he was older than I was) was getting ready to go to Provo.  He had a cousin  by the name of Raymond Baker, who lived up in North Creek.  He was going up that way and he said, “Well, why don’t you come along with us?”  So we all hopped the train  and went up to Provo.  We went up there and looked for a place to stay. A fellow by the name of Jones had back of his house, a building that was a grainery in the bottom, but in the top he had a loft with stairs to go up to it and we rented that loft and batched out of there.  We had cooking facilities.  We had heat.  He had it rented before … he had it all fixed up.  The three of us and another fellow … well, he already had it rented and he needed someone in with him.  So the three of us moved in with him.  And  - wait a minute there … there was still another room off to one side a little higher on a different elevation and he took that one and we had the other.  So from then on all I was doing was batching all the way through school.


     Yes, at Christmas and other occasions, we’d get together and have a special dinner, whatever.  We were over to Grandma Smith’s quite a bit.  She was just across the road.  The only thing she got mad at me.  She offered me cake and I wouldn’t take it.  She went to Mother and said, “Why won’t he take my cake?”  Mom said, “I don’t know , but I’ll find out.”  And I said, “Well, she puts all those old seeds all in it and I don’t like those.” They were caraway seeds.






Continuation of Life Story of Elmer H. Smith

Alderwood Manor, Washington




     At one time I had a special coin.  I found it in our yard.  When they’d been building the house, you see, they’d had a certain spot where they’d had their sand to mix their mortar and stuff.  And we used it as a play place.  We’d go out there and shovel, whatever utensil we’d use … a big spoon or whatever we could use and play in that sand and when I was out there I found this coin.  It was a half dime.  And I was playing with that dime and mother came out and says, ‘Oh, you little beggar, you’ve been in my things.”  And I looked at her kind of funny and she looked at me and then by that time she had the coin out of hand and she looked at it  and said, “Why this isn’t mine.  Where did you get this”  She said, “I’m sorry I talked to you the way I did.  Where did you get this coin?”  I said, “Right here.”  She said, “Mine had a hole in it so one could put it on a ribbon to wear around the neck and this one is solid.”  They still had it in that coin collection that they had at that time …

I ‘d been away into school … I don’t know whether I was married by that time and been back down on a visit, when I saw the coin collection and I saw it was still there.  Both coins ...hers and mine.  I left it with her there.  And I think Dad lost it… when he was sick.  Somebody said that he showed everything he had to everybody who came to visit and somebody walked off with it.


     Another time , when I was real young, my mother got real upset with me when we were down visiting  my little Grandma …  that’s what I called my Grandma Bradshaw… Ellen Holroyd Bradshaw.  They lived about three and a half blocks from us.  Mother gathered Jasper and me up and walked down there.  I don’t know rather LaRilla was there yet or not.  It’s a little bit fuzzy on that. The only thing is I know I got scolded about things.  Because when we got ready to leave I wasn’t going to leave.  Mother wondered why.  “Well, she didn't give me anything.”  And so Grandmother went and got this little cup.  It was one of the things she’d brought over from the old country, I think.  Once again I was scolded for being a little beggar.


     My great grandfather Bradshaw, I don’t think they ever went to church at all, after they came over to this country.  I don’t know whether they belonged to the church before or not.  He came out of there (England) as a master mechanic anyway.  He’d been working aboard all those ships all up and down those coasts in England and Wales and down through there.  They were living in Yorkshire.  They’d come out of Yorkshire, England to Utah.  Anyway he’d been working in those ship yards and so forth and what was he going to do out in Utah?  No water … no boats.  Not only that, but what did he know about farming, what would he know about the hardhips and things that way? So what was happening, Grandpa … my Grandpa Bradshaw and his brother were keeping them.  They had their ranches and gardens and such, and they were always bringing supplies into them.  And I know Ruth, my Aunt Ruth, my Aunts Annie and Isabell, and before that Aunt Mary and all the others…. instead of living in Pine Creek, they lived at Great Grandfather Bradshaw’s so they could get to school.  There was no school out at Pine Creek.  Pine Creek was out North and just south aways from Cove Fort.  Mother was out there too and she came in and lived there too.  So they all lived with their Grandparents.  I believe that mother lived at the Murdock Academy for nearly  two years.






     In the summer, when  there was no school on, it seemed as though there was always a lot of work to do.  Not much time for just goofing off.  I never did go around with anybody much.  I do remember two kids that kind of came over and played with us out in the street. … I don’t know what we were doing out there.  We were playing kick the can or something …. a tin can knocking it up and down the road or something like that.  I remember this one kid, he lived up in the center of town in a great big, tall building.  His folks came over …  his father was a miller or something of that nature.  Anyway they were very musical, that whole family.  And they blew the Coronet … I don’t mean Coronet …. the horn.  Trumpet.  Anyway, he was playing down there and he said, “I’ve got to go home.”  I says, “Why?”  He said, “Well, they just called me.”  And I said, “Well, I didn’t hear anything.”  He said, “I did.”  Dad’s out there with that horn and he’s given me the signal.  And I’m supposed to be coming home.”  That was blocks away, about 6 blocks away.  In fact they lived on the same corner where they tore down their place and built the high school.


     No we never had  pets like a dog or cat.  We had sheep around.  We had a pig so we could kill it.  So we had mutton and pork.


     The first job I had for pay was pitching hay.  I’d work for anybody that needed help.  Jasper and I used to go out  … not at the beginning, but later on and the two of us would work for the same price as one.  The two of us would earn a man’s wage.  We were paid two or three dollars a day. When I went to McGill, Nevada to work, the scale over there  for eight hours w as $4.10.  And I was into McGill for about two weeks.  In two weeks time I was the oldest man that was meeting in that labor shack.  I’d been on the job the longest time of anybody.  That’s how fast people  were coming and going out of that camp out there.


     It was smelter repair work.  We got into the smelters and cleaned up.  If they went down, you went in and knocked old floors out, so that other guys could come in and build floors back in, so getting copper, you see.  You had a big fire and they melted the ore down and the copper ore went down stairs and then they pulled it out into some troughs outside and put it into bricks.  It was hard labor.  But then they were building a mill at that point and a lot of those laborers were going on special jobs up at the mill.  Like digging trenches, digging a hole to put fittings in , because you didn’t have all the machinery that you do now days.  When you needed a hole down there to put a cement block in , so deep and so wide you went down with a pick and shovel and you dug it out and you put it in.  As I say I was in there a length of time and so they promoted me to smelter repair helper.  For four dollars and seventy-five cents.  Almost immediately after that I got into a little day job where I had a special job.  We had one big smoke stack which was still on the premises over there.  After I went down with Randal Smith on his first trip to Elko, we went past there and that smoke stack was still standing then, but they have knocked it all down now.  The whole plant was shut down anyway, and all the buildings were taken over by people in advanced ages as a community service deal. 





     But back to my special job.  On the big smoke stack some cracks developed up through and it wouldn’t draw….. it was down low and smoke would go out that deal up there ….. it was spread all over, it wasn’t drawing.  So what we were doing was putting a scaffold around the stack at levels so that we could put a form around and they were going to pour concrete clear around  . … which they did …. they poured concrete around to close up that pipe.  Just like they had a stack here and we put a catch around the outside that would hold the cement and then they poured the cement in, up 120 feet off the ground, walking on these little 1 x 6’s and

2 X 8’s. A lot of the time I wasn’t up there because I was helping to drag the timber.  We had gotten all the scaffold up and everything ready to pour the concrete just as I was getting ready to leave.  It was my last day to be there.  They had put a chute up to pour the concrete in and it runs down the chute up they had a rope with a pulley on it so they could raise and lower it for elevation and for pour or no pour.  And they tied a knot in the rope so they pull it down at the bottom  …. this is when they hoisted it up to get it upstairs.  They’d tied it close up to the cable.

They tied this knot and they knew they could pull it from the bottom and untie knot.  But the know wouldn’t untie.  So I went down that chute, which was a little over 12 inches wide,  rounded at the bottom and I went down the chute 120 feet and tied a rope ahead of the knot down there, but before you got to the pulley, and then tied a good knot in there, so that the rope was tied.  And then cut that old knot off…… each time you’d cut a little, it would drop a little and you’d feel a little funny.  Anyway when I got through that, that finished my job and I didn’t go back up.  I just slid down the rope on the end to the ground.  And here was old John, the Basque.  He was working  on the crew and I was the only one he would work with, when we went into those hot flues there.  We had fifteen minutes in and then out, because they were hot.

What we did was we had a big bar and you’d have to hit it and knock that ore off the walls.  And he’d hold the bar and the only one he’d work with was me, cause he knew I could hit the bar.  He trusted me.  But when I got down from the chute, he was sitting there on the lawn watching me.  Holding his head, he said, “Smith, you crazy!”  He was quite a guy.  But none of those other guys …. they were filthy, foul kind of people….. the whole cockeyed bunch over

there.  Except there was a small church group …. they were hidden up pretty much.


     The first year I went to BYU I had my own money.  I didn’t work that year.  I tried to get a job there.  I went down to the smelter …. thought I could get on there but I didn’t.  They said, “Well, come back again cause we’re constantly changing stuff.”  That was when I had my money, but the end of the year was coming along.  And I was getting shorter and shorter of having money.  And I needed a job.  But I weathered it out and when I got out that first year I went back down to Beaver.  Jasper had gotten a job out to Sulpherdale, out there by Cove Fort.  There’s a creek  that comes out there …  it smells like sulpher.  It’s really rank.  But that whole country there is sulpher and what they were doing was building a new mill out there to make these sulpher flours.  They’d run it through a process, made it into a fluffy stuff.  They called them flours.  Anyway, Jasper got me a job out there.  Cause my Uncle, William Muir, was the superintendent out there.  And so he needed help, so he hired Jasper and I and we ate meals with his family.  We had our own blankets and bed and place that we could crawl into.  His family was there.  He married Aunt Mary, mother’s oldest sister.  Mother was the oldest in her family.





     So we worked that year and then when that closed off, my brother Eldred developed that Osteomyelitis leg and I took my money and gave it to Dad.  Somebody was going to Provo and I hopped the car with them and went up to Provo.  And then I started working with the contractors, that is builders up there.  On Center street.  The first job I had there was taking a hod on my shoulder up a ladder to get up on top, cause they were putting a fire wall up around one of those buildings on Center Street.  And then we went out into some of these other little places working on buildings that summer.  I even went over with them to Lehi and we got stuff out of the sugar factory over there, to put on some of the roads.  We had some gravel and that we had to spread out and so on. Even worked on the little railroad there.


     When I went back up to Provo, I moved right in with the same kids I went up with.  Only they were going to school and I was working.  It was a different place than I had lived before.  Across the road and down into a big house where they had fixed up rooms upstairs. And I mixed with the kids going to school, even though I was working.  And then my job closed off, but I had already talked to a contractor out of Springville, because he was going to go to Canada and build a sugar factory.  And I’d kind of signed on with him.  I said, “Well, let me know if you need some  help because I need the work and I would like to get some work so I could get some money so I could go back to school.”  On of the kids around there said, “When I came back, “Why don’t you go up to Br. Sauls.  He’s the custodian up there on that upper campus.  And he needs somebody up there when  schools going because what he was doing  was putting those curbs and gutters, for running the water down across the hill where you come up to the Maeser Memorial building.  The sidewalk was there then, but that curb and gutter going down the hill slope wasn’t in there.  The water was washing away the hillside.  But they also needed the gutter to run the water down for irrigation.  And so what he had, he had his forms already made …. he put the forms in and he was kind of doing it alone.  The kids would come along and then they had a mixer and would mix the concrete and pour it in and then the next day he’d move the forms.  He was alone and he needs help.  So why don’t you go ask him for a job  …. he needs somebody.”   I went up and he put me on  right then.  He said, “I’m working here right now, why don’t you help me?”  And so then we got into that and then he asked me questions and found out I wanted to go to school.  I said, “Well, I wanted to get to school and I’m waiting for the big outfit, the contractors out of Springville,  waiting for them to call me and find out if they’re going up to Canada.”  So he got me in the corner one day, about the second or third day.  “Brother Smith, what other than a cheap wage (now there’s a good phrase for you … I always remember just exactly how he put it).  What other than a cheap wage do you have for not wanting to stay here with me?”  And you want to go with  this other group?’  “Well, there’s none!”  All I want is a job.   He said, ”Well, I  tell you what I’ll do.  Stay with me.  If you’d come here and get on the force here, I’ll see that you get through school.  I’ll see that you get enough work that you can get through school.”  That’s a pretty  good offer.  And he said, “There will be all kinds of work.  I know you can do it, because you’ve been helping very good.”  And he said, “There’s a lot of things here to be done and I’ll see that you get through.”  And I said, “Well, now wait a minute.  You made me a good offer and I haven’t said no or anything about it yet, but   …. cause I’m going to ask or put a proposition to you.”    He says,

“What do you mean?”  I said, “I‘ve  got  a brother that’s graduating from High School this year.  He’s going to have the same problem I have getting into College ..  he’s got no money.




He’s got to work.  If you see that the both of us get through school, I’ll take that job.”  And he said, “Sold.”  Just like that.  he said, “I’ll do it.”  I said, “Well, that ‘s all we need then.”  That’s what happened and I got a hold of Jasper and Jasper came on up.  The only thing I  was a bit sorry about there. Jasper always got the prime jobs all the time and I got the hard work.  Well that’s the way  it looked like.  Cause he’d be out there mowing lawns and doing all that stuff and I’d be dragging the cockeyed hose around watering the grass or whatever.

But we put those curbs and gutters down through there and then we dug trenches and put a sprinkling system in that whole hill side.  He and I cut and fit those pipe … all of them, two inch pipe.  We did it by hand, we didn’t have these machines they have these days.  You did

it the hard way.  And he was a big husky guy, (Br. Sauls) but I sure don't’ think I was pulling my weight.  I was putting everything I had on, but it wasn’t that much.  About that time I weighed about 136 pounds.  But, anyway we put that sprinkler system in.


     He was quite a guy, ole John Sauls,  The system that they had for ringing the bells both for the lower campus and the upper campus was put in by John Sauls.  They rang the bell either 10 or 15 minutes before the hour and on the hour for changing classes.  And shut it off on the weekends.  He made and cut all the gears that went into a little box that run off of an alarm clock.  That alarm clock went off, (one of those Big Ben clocks) and turned that signal at that time.  He had that geared up and a contact on that way.  And he had one on the upper campus and one down on the lower campus.  That was his system.  he put it in … he cut it.  I asked him how about that … I said, “Brother Sauls, how do you cut those things.”  He said, “I have to do a little bit of adjusting on some of the contact stuff that way, but.”  Till we got that water system in … the pipe all in … instead of going out and opening a valve and letting it run, he put a time clock on it.  He put a Big Ben clock on that so that he could stay home.  That water would turn on at 2 o’clock in the morning and water for an hour or two hours … whatever he had it set for and then shut off.  So that old guy was somebody.  The trouble is they murdered him down there.  They put gas, natural gas into that boiler room down there.  He’d been running coal into the furnace.  Then they put gas into it … and the control they had … it wasn’t working right and he climbed up on top that cockeyed furnace to try and adjust things and so on and they found him asphyxiated on top of that doggone thing.


     I w as making 50 cents an hour.  I didn’t start in it with nothing and I came out with just about enough to buy me some clothing for the next pay period.  Boy, I’m telling you, we was paying so much for tuition.  Yep, tuition was about $75 a quarter.  I think it was $75 or $80.

(But that seemed like an awful lot in those days.)  Well, when you talk about 50 cents an hour.


One of the last years I was there,  is when they built that Heber J. Grant Library.  And we were all drafted into that.  Some of us were drafted into that construction at the last, because … the roof on that building was concrete, solid concrete pour.  They started early in the day, they poured concrete all day long and in the evening they weren’t finished and they needed help and so they drafted us into it.  They kept that mixer going all the time and those wheelbarrows wheeling that stuff up.  There was chutes up on the top, until they had completely poured that thing all in one pour.




Continuation of Life Story of Elmer H. Smith

Alderwood Manor, Washington




And I was too light weight to wheel those doggone wheelbarrows up that scaffold, and they found that out real fast.  So they put me on the shovel down there … put so much shovels of sand and so much of this gravel into the hopper and so cement to make the mix.


     On the job on campus with Brother Sauls, I was the time keeper for all the guys.  I checked them in, and I checked them out and put the hours they had down, so he (Brother Sauls) could put his payroll in.  I didn’t put that in … he put that in.  But he checked with me on each one of them, all the time. I got that much experience out of the thing.  Some times that can be good or bad.  Because I had two or three guys that were sneaky … and I kept my eyes open a little bit too.  I knew what was going on.  Oh, wait a minute …  who was that guy.  I talked to him about things and he went an complained to Sauls about it and Sauls came to me, and said “You shouldn’t have done that.  That guy …. he’s got a wife and he’s got one youngster.  He needs some help.”  I don’t know  … before you did it, you ought to ask about it, and set the thing up and so on that way.  He should have come to me and said something or else eh should have gone to Sauls.  And Sauls could have come to me and said, “Well, we’re going to do this … we’re going to give you this much …. don’t worry whether he does it or not.”  I think he did that one guy after that, cause I think he learned a lesson too about that same time.  Cause Sauls was quite a guy.


     Up around the Grant building, when they were building and even after they got the building built and were using it as the library, I was going up there at 4 o’clock in the morning and cleaning and putting books in shape and dusting shelves and keeping things going … that was part of the job in the mornings.  There were certain places where you could park a car and certain places you weren’t supposed to park a car because that was a pathway into doing some things around campus.  And invariably somebody would park in those places.  Sauls would say, “I don’t know whose that car is … I’ve seen it here before and I’ve stopped a lot of them from coming here.”  So he went down to the boiler room and got a big pipe, a good big pipe that he put under the car and he was moving it.  He’d get it on his shoulder and lift it up and slide it along, slide it here and slide it here and slide it over here.  He was getting way out in the center of the road.  This guy come running out there, he said, “What are you doing?”  Sauls says, ”You know this sign says NO PARKING HERE.  I mean that.”




     Oh, somebody who thought he was pretty good.  But the Maeser Memorial building was mostly accounts and stuff like that.  We were all assigned to go in there and wash windows and clean up that whole building through there one day.  We had a gang of kids in there washing windows inside and outside and all over the place and some things going to happen.  And I think his desk or one of his tables or something got pulled over so the guy could stand on it to get up on the window.  And he came in  and he complained to Brother Sauls about it, he says, “They’ve got water all over my place in there … they’ve got footprints all over the things.  Yakity, yak an yakity yak.”  Any way, Brother Sauls said to him, “Brother, we all make mistakes.  I’ll bet you’ve been to the bathroom and you haven’t got your pants down just exactly right sometimes.”  He was an old southerner and he had a southern brogue (accent).  His son was the secretary to the President of the school.  That was Keefer Sauls.  Keefer brought his family out of North or South Carolina. 




     But old John used us all the time too.  We were doing his home teaching all the time.  In church over there he had us scheduled to go out on his home teaching.   I think they called them Ward Teachers then.  And so I met some of the dignitaries he had to go to .  We’d go out and meet with them.  One of them we met with was an attorney … he had a bunch of property down in there just before you get into Leland down toward the Manti Temple.  Anyway this guy had a  big ranch down in there.


     You asked how I came to choose Illuminating Engineering as an occupation?  (More commonly known as Lighting Engineer)   Well, it was forced on me.  When I got through college, I needed a job.  My major in college was physics and mathematics and engineering and all that stuff.  I had almost a minor … I lacked one or two credit hours to have a minor in Psychology.  I had Poulson as a teacher…… I liked him.  took all his psychology, religion and all that kind of stuff.  Brother Poulson ….. a lot of people didn’t like him, but I thought he was a pretty good guy.  Poulson, kind of a gruff old guy, but I learned a lot.  I learned that on you body that when you touch things there  you say its hot or cold, you don’t know whether it is or not.  Because when you get a skewer and your blindfolded and that skewer is cold and you touch that and they say hot.  We think its hot.  Cause we had our sensory tests in our lab classes.  Its surprising, but its different than we think.


     But, the way I got into lighting …. The last year I didn't work on the campus …. the last summer.  I worked at the Pacific Cast Iron Pipe Company over in Springville.  I needed a little bit more money because I knew I’d be graduating and there would be more expenses and stuff that way and I talked to Sauls about things.  We’d got in a little bit of trouble during the winter cause he found out we were getting a little bit more money.  Jasper and I were living with Alma Hansen.  Alma Hansen came from up around Ogden.  He was down there and he was living with us and we were going to church at the Fifth Ward there.  And that was the same Ward that Sauls was going to.  But they didn’t have a caretaker.  And the Bishop came to me and he said, “I know you boys are working up on campus, why can’t we have you take care of this building for us.?  You could take care of all that stuff.”  And I should have gone to old Sauls and told him we were going to take that as a part-time, that is an in between times job.  But he saw us on duty up that way and he was really unhappy, because he says, “If you wanted more work, I could have gotten it for you.”  That’s the only time he really bounced me.  But we were taking care of the sacrament stuff and making sure things were washed up.  With Jasper living with us cause when one would be off duty here, we could go in and do some work and then another could come in and do some



     So when I got through school and I wanted a job.  I looked in Provo and I didn’t find anything there.  Talked to Company’s and Industry’s there.  The power company there in Provo said, “Well, I don’t know.  Maybe if you went into Salt Lake, they might have something up there.”  I went up and nosed around on several things and then went to the Power Company.  The only thing they had a the Power Company was a part time job.  Lasting the whole summer and into the fall.  And in the mean time you can be looking around or what ever.  I went up there testing meters.  It was a periodic test that you do.  It was a long time since some of those meters had been tested, if they ever had been.





Some of them couldn’t be tested because there was no way of testing them.  Cause they were that old.  And so I went around Salt Lake quite a little bit looking for work and that seemed to be the best job.  So I went back to the Power Company and I said, “Well, in the meantime I’ll take this job.”  The guy in the meter department said, “I think we can work things around.”  I said, “I haven’t tested meters.?  And he said, “I think we can fix that, because I think you have enough knowledge about things…. you have your math and so on, to qualify to handle certain things.”  I said, “At one point there’s one course of math I didn’t get, but I don’t think that will interfere.”  Little did I know that I was tested on that and its one of the courses I really should have had.  But I dug into the books and I got it back of me afterward.  But I didn’t get onto that job afterward anyway.  Cause I went into that test.  But this time they sent me over with the chief meter man to the big smelter there in Salt Lake.  They were using more than half the current the Utah Power and Light was generating.  Well, their meters needed checking and I went over and helped this guy check the meters that one day.  And the first thing he did was put a formula on that thing to check the doggone thing.  Vector Analysis and it’s the one course they didn’t have enough people that wanted it that quarter to take, so I didn’t get it.  So I was a little bit lost on that, but he explained enough to me that I knew exactly what he was doing.  But I think what they were trying to do is see if they could work me into … as an aid into some of those jobs.  The big power users, cause they needed to check those monthly.  Because it meant a lot to both companies.  So I got into that and I was out checking those meters there.


     In the meantime when I said I was going to Salt Lake, why I didn’t go alone.  OH , IS THAT WHEN MOM WENT WITH YOU?  I said I was going to Salt Lake cause I thought I had this job.  And she says, “Well, I ‘m going too!”  And I said, “Well, I don’t know how that could work out.”  And she said, “We’ll make it, we’ll make it … one way or another.”  I went up and took that job and the last of the season was on and I knew that I’d be having to dig for another job, cause I really hadn’t found anything.  We worked through Saturday up to noon, all day Monday, Tuesday,

Wednesday and Saturday till noon on that and I had one meter down in one of those houses and do you think I could get that thing to check.   I put a new first and second wheel in it, I put a new jewel in it … I put everything it was supposed to have … nothing was working.  Finally, I looked at something else in that thing and I said, “That looks like an adjusting deal.”  And I tested it a little bit and gee whiz, it went right straight on.  A little screw looked like it might have been loose.  And I put my screw driver on it and went into the thing and I just finished up and was putting the thing up and was sealing the meter back up and getting my stuff gathered up and  in walked the boss.  He

said, “I’ve been clear through your route here … thought you’d have been in way earlier.  I needed you in there.”  I says, ‘Well, I got that doggone meter there and I’ve had an awful lot of trouble.”  He said, “Well, did you get it?” I said, “Yes, I sure have! “  He said, “Well, let’s see”, and he put a test on it and said, “Yep, that’s right.”  And so I knew I was all right on that.  He says, “I’ve got a fellow in the building  …. their building a whole new department in Utah Power and Light.  I talked to him about you and he said he wants to interview you.:  And so I talked to him … he got a little bit of my background, my school work and stuff of that nature.  And he says, “Id’ like to hire you.  Can you come to work by such and such a time?”  And I said, “Yes, I’d be happy to.”  So I got into that department.





What they were doing was building this department because they were having trouble in all the buildings in Salt Lake…. they had no engineers… no engineer service.  And the architects were building the buildings and were doing their own stuff and turning the wiring and all the material over to some flunky outside to put the wire in and they were putting the  wires in all different sizes…. small size and too small.  People wanted loads in and you couldn’t get the loads in until you put new wiring in and all that stuff.  So they set up this department as a commercial service department.  We’d go into the architects office, take their plans away from them, go back to the office, make a tracing off their whole plan.  And I’d had drafting before, so I knew something about drafting.  Make a tracing; put a complete electrical system on it and write a specification for the size of wire for the equipment that went into here, here, and here and there , so that they could go out for a bid.  And that was gratis to those architects.  But that was a load builder because at that point we were figuring at least 10 years in advance…. off of advances to be going in.  And so then I got into that job that way.


     Here come General Electric people out to give us a little bit of push and so on like that.  And General Electric had back in Cleveland, Ohio, a lighting institute.  Utah Power and Light sent me back there.  They sent me back to school back there.  I had two weeks of heavy, intense training.  Yeah, on lighting and when you get into lighting, its load building and your code stuff, so you’ve got the whole thing going together.  That’s when your mother and I went back to

Cleveland .  We took the bus back, stopped in at Chicago and went to the Fair there.  Then we went up to Detroit and picked up a new car.  Right off the line.  And then we drove that new car back down to Cleveland and then on home.


     We came back across the top of the United States.  Well, we were going to see the Black Hills, over in South Dakota.  Only when we got there and got out of the hotel that morning, it was all white.  It had snowed.  So the Black Hills that we saw, with the faces on them, were white.  So then we sent on down through the badlands and came back to Salt Lake.


     I don’t remember how much I was making then.  More than the 50 cents an hour working on campus.  We were able to make it except that just the time we’d get $5 ahead, somebody would come in, like the Bonds from down in Shiprock, and we’d have to feed them.  It was a struggle.  And then we were doing something that was wrong, because when we’d go down the stairs

(of their apartment) and get onto the street and we’d walk across the street… there was a market over there.  A little market, and we was charging our…… we were going over and buying and putting on a ticket, so that we could pay at the end of the month.  And that was wrong.  You can get in trouble that way.  We were in trouble.  We got that thing worked out and we decided if we didn’t have the money, we weren’t going to get it.  And we moved out of that place .


     Elwyn was born in Salt Lake City and the baby girl.  And right after she was born and died, why they transferred me to Provo.  We were there …. ‘28 was when I went there… we were there about 2 1/2 years.





     Anyway, they needed the same work that they were doing in Salt Lake done for those architects down in Provo.  They didn’t have anybody down there.  So they sent me down to the Provo division, to head that up.  So I went down and got a hold of those architects in Provo and worked on those things.  Even on the stuff on the BYU, rewired the old State Mental Hospital up there.  Oh, that was bad.  Worked with Architect Ashworth on that and we went clear through that whole plant and remodeled and changed the whole thing.  I wrote specs for the whole job.  The guy I had trouble with was a guy name of……..  He’s the guy that built the big county building there, beautiful building….. looks like Roman Italian type building.  Anyway I accosted him, to talk to him about it and he says, “Well, I’ve been to Italy….I’ve studied all over Europe and I’ve built this building and things over here.”  he says, ‘I think I’m doing pretty good.”  I said, “Well, don’t you think that somebody could help you a little bit.?  It isn’t going to cost you anything.  But I don’t think you have the time and energy your doing here on this type of building to try to evaluate what the wiring is going  to be into these buildings and what the electrical load is, and what the services should be and all that stuff.  That I could take away from you and I can do it.”  He said, “No, he thought he could do it.”  So I left.  I figured I’d have to go back again.  But I was working in the office one day and they had sent him upstairs (cause they’d put me upstairs above another place there in Provo.  The building was on University Way, about the middle of the block and there was another place there, but it had the stairway going upstairs, and they had a room up there with my drawing board and other stuff up in there).  And he came up there one day and I looked up from what I was doing and he said, “Well, I’ve been thinking about what you talked to me about.”  And I says, “Well, I think I’m right on that .”  And he  says, “I’d like to try you on a little job

here.”  So I got in there and then I went to Price, and there was somebody down there and I helped down there.  Then I went to Moab and I went to all those stores and so on.  I went to stores in Provo.  One old Jew guy had a store with a bare globe on it.  And I laid out a whole new job and he put it in and he turned it on, and he said, “Hmmmm, I’ve got a new store.”  So there was plenty of work.  American Fork….a lot.  And Lehi…..I worked that whole area over as far as Vernal.  Down as far as Moab…. all down through Huntingdon and those towns down there.  It was a nice job going that way.  But when they built their own plant there, I didn’t have a job.


     So I started looking around for another job.  First I went down to San Francisco, because the sales manager of Utah Power and Light was in Salt Lake and he knew some of those guys down there.  He said, “They need some help down there.  So why don’t you go down.  I’ll give you a letter.”  He gave me a letter, so your mother and I went on down to San Francisco.  We went through the mill down there trying to get a job.  Finally the fellow there sat me down and said, “Well, have you had a physical exam and all that stuff?”  Passed those off.  he sent me down to their general offices.  They were separated in another building … they weren’t on the ground floor where we saw them.  The guy down there in their general office was funny … I didn’t understand him, the way he acted.  But he sent me down into town into their main office and when I got down there and they talked to me, but I don’t understand that fellow.  What kind of a fellow is he?”  “How did he act?”  “Well, he acted kind of funny like, I thought.  He didn’t care whether I was talking or not talking, cause he wasn’t paying much attention.”

He said, “Why don’t you go back and talk to him.  He doesn’t believe you.”  He said, “I think it would be a mistake to take a job here and go on that way, when you’ve got somebody in the general office with that kind of frame of mind.”  Well, I said, “I didn’t like him, if that’s what your talking about.”  So your mother and I went over to the Fair…. there was a little fair going on at the time down there, but boy, it was cold there.  We went  out of Utah and we got into cold weather and there was a cold damp

breeze blowing and it was cold.  And we went to that fair.


Continuation of Life Story of Elmer H. Smith

Alderwood Manor, Washington




     The fair was right out in that waterway on an island out there, where that bridge (Golden Gate) goes across, from San Francisco. ( Sausilito?)  It was on that island and we went over to the fair for awhile.  And then we got in the car and came to Seattle.


     WHY DID YOU PICK SEATTLE? (Lots of Laughter)


     Oh, why did I pick Seattle?  Well, we came up here and there was a job up here and of course I had this other job  (in San Francisco).  I told them down there that I was not going to work until  you clear the air there, because I don’t want any hurt feelings.  I gave him my address.  At first he said he was going to go through Ogden, he had something to do through part of that upper country and he’d be going  through Ogden.  “Ill stop in Ogden and I’ll get a hold of your Salt Lake office

there.”  He evidently did that, because when I got back to Provo, after I’d been up to Seattle with the other job up there.  In Seattle I went to the job interview and they immediately walked me through the warehouse and through the office and said, “Well, your hired, if you want to take it.”  So when I got  back to Provo I had two jobs.  I had to make up my mind .


     But …. Seattle had family up here.  My wife had three sisters living up there.  When you get

three, four women  working on a plan… well, their going to work things out for you.  (Lots more laughter)  Isn’t that right?   I took the job here with Westinghouse Electric Supply.  And all these jobs I was taking outside were underpaid because we were still in the depression.  We’d gone through the depression in the 30’s …. we never got out of the depression.  So my wages at Westinghouse and even Utah Power and Light in Provo were not that good.  (Bare minimum)  But I had jobs. When I was at Utah Power and Light in Provo and the depression hit, we all took a 5% cut a month and then it went on for awhile and then we took another 5%.  The management were taking 10%, where we were taking 5%, so we figured that was kind of ...but we had work.

So when we got out of there and it was still depression when I went into Westinghouse and almost immediately the wages were frozen because of the war (2nd world war) was on.  It came almost immediately.  So I was stuck in there and really never got out of it.  I tried my best.  Well, I tried, but I didn’t try my best…. when I threatened to leave, I should have left.  Two or three times I should have left…. quit them.  Cause they kept bragging about the retirement deal and what that would do.


     I worked for Westinghouse for 29 years. on August 11, 1969 I was worthless to them…. because I had reached the age of 65 and everybody that was 65 was let out.  Whether they wanted to or not.


     And then I was home working with my wife (and bothering her) and making quilt patterns.  Getting in the road with her work.  We traveled a little ….. we’d go to Salt Lake conference.  By that time I’d joined the church.




     I’d been out of it for 10 years …. before I moved to Seattle.






     What did she mean by that…. she was tired of me being around, huh?  A fellow I knew… I’d seen him two or three times and he wanted to talk to me and I called him back right quick.  When he got me on the phone, he said he wanted to talk to me cause he wanted to have me work for him.  And his name was Bill Sanborn.  I talked it over with him and  said, “Well, I’m on Social Security.”   And he said, “We can fix that.”  He and another guy were kind of partners and they wanted me to come work and I could work the kind of work they wanted done.  The were fixture manufacture representative… lighting fixtures.  I knew the fixtures and I knew the architects around too and engineers around town and could help them out a little bit.  I think the change over that way so that you could work full time, if you wanted  to after you retired and that would be age 70 or 72.  I don’t remember now.  Anyway, they hired me that way and wrote up a contract.  So much a month, which would keep me under the amount allowed by Social Security receivers, and the other would be generated into an insurance plan.  The insurance plan would then pay off in two ways.  1.  They would pay so much a month to pay it back to me and /or 2.  The insurance policy would be mine total, with no if’s or and’s or but’s.

And at that point when I reached that age, I told them, “Well, its up to you. Take it easy on yourselves.   You’ve been awful nice to me because you’ve let me come and go as I need to with my wife

in the convalescent center and so forth.  You’ve been very nice about things.  It’s up to you.  Which ever way you want to go…. either the monthly plan or the total.”  He said, “Well, the policy is yours.”  I also had some other little extra things handed to me over time. I got a microwave and I got several other things.





      I palled around with a bunch of guys, Otto and Raymond Baker and some others and they went out on a party and they invited me to go with them and they picked up some girls.  Some of them had dates.  For some reason we ended up at the McIntosh house where there was one of the girls that was living in that house along with the Walker family.  For some reason we were in one little room that way pretty much, when all of a sudden we heard a commotion in the house off the other room which was the other families… the Walker family.  And everybody crowded in to look and to see what had happened.  There was one young lady standing with her back to the fireplace and wouldn’t move …. very, very sedate and so on like that, but she wouldn’t move there.  Somebody asked what was going on?  And this young lady had gotten too close to the fireplace and her clothes caught on fire.  The back of her dress was burned and she dared not move because she would be showing herself.

At one point we all kind of made fun and so on like that.  Soon after that I met her personally.  We seemed to get along very well.  They moved from that place to another and we’d go to a picture show or something.  I had a bicycle and we’d go to the picture show and she’d ride on the handle bar and after the show we’d come out and ride on home.  Things just seemed to keep going like that.  So when I got ready to leave in the spring, she and her girlfriend, Rula Mitchie, had plans to go to Colorado.  I went on down to Beaver and they went to Colorado.  I wrote notes to her from down there … cause I was out to the sulpher beds and I’d get a letter once in awhile from her and we’d write back and forth.  She was gone when we got ready for school the next year.  I went back up to Provo and she had taken a teaching job out in Duchesne, Utah.





So I saw her for a minute and then she was gone.  Then I corresponded with her quite regularly during that first year.  When school was out, then she was back in Provo and well, we kind of got together every once in awhile.  Lottie B., her mother, would have me over for dinner and when they wanted to go to movies they’d always call me to go with them.  I was getting into more movies than I’d ever seen in my life.  Cause I’d really never been to shows before that point.  So that’s the way that thing kind of started.  I’d been with some other girls once  in awhile when the fellows would have some girl out and they’d have an extra girl and they’d kind of fleece me into the date too.  But, that was just something to do.


     I’d laid off school one year, because of Eldred’s leg operation and had given my parent’s the money I’d earned during the summer to help pay for the operation.  I went back up to Provo and was working around there.  But then, when I started school that next fall, I was there alone and Ethel was away in Duchesne teaching school.  One young fellow that I knew was from Vernal, said to me, “I’m going home to Vernal for Thanksgiving, why don’t you ride over with me?”

I said, “I have nothing to do with Vernal.” He says, “Well, I’d be gong through Myton… you’ve got a girlfriend over there haven't’ you?”  I said, “Well, I know a young lady over there teaching.”  He says, “Why don’t you go over for a visit?”  This all happened before Thanksgiving was coming up, so I had time enough to write to Ethel to find out if it would be all right for me to come visit.  I got a letter “Yes”,  so I rode over to Myton.  She was boarding at Myton and teaching out at a school that was nearby.  She was taking the bus from Myton  out to the school and back.*  So I went to Myton and we went to shows and we had a pretty good time going that way.  She was very courteous and I tried to keep my self in place.  I enjoyed the trip.  After we had visited and Thanksgiving was over, my ride came and picked me up.  The road through Strawberry Reservoir country was clogged up.  We came up over the hill and came back into Price, Utah to get home that time.  Which meant we were kind of way out of line that way and we landed in this little town outside of Price and

how we did I don’t know.  Because it seemed to me like we were pushing the car more than the car was carrying us.  All the way over top of the mountain.  I’ve never seen that road that we went over on any map before or since.


     Anyway, that was quite a trip.  Then we were corresponding regularly.  Then she went back to teaching school again the next year and she went back the next year.  I was still going to school.  She came back to Provo after she had taught for three years and I was preparing to graduate.  That summer when I got out of school, then I was working, not at the school like I’d been working before, but I was working down at the Pipe Plant  (Pacific Cast Iron Pipe Company).  Jasper had his own car and every once in awhile I had that car out and I’d slip up to the Walker’s with a little”jippy”, whatever I could afford.  We’d sit there in that car for awhile nights and so on like that.    That’s about as far as it had gone. There was no discussion about anything, we just was getting acquainted.  Of course during the times when she was around, before this, she and I’d hiked up to the letter on the mountain once….one night they had a clean up deal going on, so we all hiked up.  We had a lot of contact in a sense.  When I graduated there…. at my graduation I was surprised because my mother had had a new baby, but she took the bus up to Provo and we hid her in our room that way.  I made her acquainted with the walker family at the same time she was there.  Nothing had been said , anything about us being any more than just friendly.  But it was a surprise to have mother up, and they were pleased to have her show up and become acquainted with her and the baby.


 *Mom taught at Boneta School in 1925, at Highland, just north of Myton in 1926 and Neola in  1927







     After graduation, I scouted around Provo for a job  and I didn’t find anything.  I went to Utah Power and Light Co. there in Provo, but they didn’t have anything.  They said, “Well, if you were in Salt Lake I think there would be more possibilities if you wanted to work with us.”  So I went to Salk Lake and browsed around, not only at Utah Power and Light, but something else.  Ethel went with me one time and we took a couple of rooms in a little old hotel over on West Temple Street.

She had a little room off to one side and I had a room off to one side.  Then when I got this chance to go to work for Utah Power and Light Company, all I said to her was, “Well, I’m going to be moving to Salt Lake because I’ve got this temporary job to go to.”  And she said, “I’m going with you.”  And that’s the only time anything was ever stated that we were going to be together all the time.  I never did ask her.


     (Mom once told me that she went home to Provo, and started packing some things and her mother asked her where she was going and she said, “Well, Elmer and I are going to go to Salt Lake and get married.”  And her mother said, “O.K..” )  ESH


     Oh , is that right”  Well, I know she was ready.  When I said I was going to go, that next morning she was ready.  Another thing is that was surprising a lot of people, I guess, was that….. see, Nellie was still down there and once in awhile when the Sister Walker wanted to go to the movies and Nellie was there, but well, Nellie was indifferent about things.  We’d coax Nellie to go along too.

Well, it looked like Nellie was kind of being pushed on to me and I was holding back a little bit because I didn’t know Nellie.  Nellie was my age.  And Ethel was her old sister.  Two years older practically.  And I always thought she was younger than I was.


     (Aunt Nellie always said that mom was the baby of the family…. the true baby of the family, because she was so sick for so many years, when she was young.)


     That’s what came up later on.  She’d tell the tales around outside…. she never would say anything to me about this, but she says “Well, I’ve been living on borrowed time for a long time.”  That’s what she kept saying to people outside.  That news would come back to me, but she never ever told me that.  She must have been feeling pretty bad that ways some times, but she sure was a brick to stay on top.


     I didn’t say anything to my folks at all….I just told them we were getting married.  We went up to Salt Lake and I got an apartment and we walked over to the County Clerk down there, in his office that way and he married us.  There was another couple getting married also and so they acted as witness’.  So we were married in a civil marriage,  July 11, 1928.  (Dad had always bragged about how he always  put H. for Holroyd in his signature…. Elmer H. Smith.  Imagine my surprise when I sent for a copy of his marriage license and it was signed Elmer Smith.  Dad admitted he was a little nervous that day.)


     After we were married and living in Salt Lake for a time, Lottie B. came to me and says….

Smith, what priesthood do you hold.?”  I says, “Well, I am a Seventy.”  She says, “Do you think you could get a temple recommend?”  I said, “Well, I hadn’t thought about it, but I think I could.”

She said, “Why don’t you get a temple recommend and take Ethel to the temple?”  So then I went back to Provo because the Bishop that knew me was down in Provo.





     This was kind of out of order, but it still went.  Cause I went to Provo to the Bishop I’d been working in the church house and had done a lot of services in the church that way.  I went down to him and asked him if I was eligible for a recommend for the temple.  He said, “I don’t see why not!”  Any way we got our temple recommends and went through the Salt Lake Temple October 11, 1928.


     Our first home in Salt Lake was on Fifth Avenue about Fifth.  It was a little house…. one family …. one person had a rented area downstairs and they had the same floor plan upstairs and we took that place. It had to be pretty dog gone cheap, because we weren’t making very much.  It seems to me like it was about $40 or $50 a month.  It was furnished.


     It seems to me like Ethel was with child right quick.  Elwyn was born in the LDS hospital in Salt Lake City.  How did we pick his name?  I don’t exactly remember on that.  I liked Lugene… somehow or somewhere I picked up that.   I liked Lugene.  But then the Doctor we had was Doctor Petersen…. J. something  Petersen.  I thought that was kind of a neat way to put a name  …..

letter and name….. have a name so you could have a letter and I don’t know the discussion came up on Elwyn….I don’t remember how that come.  (Seems like somewhere in the records I saw an Elwyn)  We got it somewhere and it sounded pretty good …. only we spelled it different.

E L W Y N and the other was E L W I N.  Yeah, we spelled it with a Y in.  And put that first and then when he gets into school…. what happens…. they call him Elwyn.  It’s the ridiculous thing, if your going to name somebody, you’d better put the name you want to call them by , first. 

(Dad always called him Lugene… he liked that name.  I think he would have liked his name to

be E. Lugene Smith)





     Every time somebody comes around they say “How are you Smith?”  There’s some people who come into  the temple who come up to me and say “Hi, Uncle Smith.”


     The Tooley boys come in quite often (Don Carlos Walkers’ daughter’s children).  Their kids come through the temple all the time.  Of course their both dead.  One of the boys was a Bishop for a time.  But he moved out of the area into another area.  But he comes up to the temple and he

always comes over and is jolly.


     We had a baby girl born about a year and a half later.  HOW COME YOU NEVER GAVE HER A NAME?  Well, she died in two days.  The Doctor says, “Well, shall we give her a name?”

I didn’t know what to do  and I didn’t want to bother your mother.  I mentioned something and she was so down hearted….. that……..


     She was born in a hospital, but she was born in a Catholic hospital.  Because the LDS hospital had done some dirty tricks to the doctor and he changed hospitals.  He wasn’t getting the service he wanted and whatever was going on that way, and he just got out. 


Continuation of Life Story of Elmer H. Smith

Alderwood Manor, Washington





He wanted to know if it was all right with me and I says, “Well, I don’t know one place from another.  What I want is the most service I can get.  If your going to do a job I want it to be a job. “

And he said, “Well, he’d rather have us up there.”  And I don’t know on that…. was that a good idea or not because when they called me down to work that way and said that things were going, I got up to that hospital in a hurry and she (the baby) was still alive.  But boy, I’m telling you she was the yellowest person you ever saw in your life.  Jaundiced all over…. I’m telling you.   It was a sad deal and what they ruled that way was that she had brain damage.  Well, it was tied up in that brain structure and so on. … that’s what they said.  I really don’t believe that because when I sat through that autopsy and when they finished up I’m sure that those guys found out nothing.  Because I do not believe that was it…. I think it was something else.   THE THING I HEARD WAS THAT IT WAS A BRAIN HEMERAGE.    It didn’t look like that exactly ….. but it wasn’t caused by that plate stuff.


     There was a priest there and he wanted to go through and see the operation.  And he was there and I was there, and the Dr. was performing that way.  And I don’t know, they disappeared and went off to talk about things, but they didn’t bring me in on that.  Anyway it was disheartening.  She was a beautiful little girl…. she had big long fingers.



     That’s right.




     Well, I don’t know…. I didn’t get into that name too much.  We talked about certain things and I didn’t have any choices.  “A” Call was living there with us and the thing that happened that way, they had the radio on and there was a broadcast coming from…. kind of a worldwide broadcast.

And whoever was on to the thing the name was pronounced and your mother got it one way and “A” got it another way and so they kind of put it together.




     It could have been, but it didn’t sound like that.  It was in a kind of foreign tongue.  Now that’s the way I remember it.  It sounded good to me, so we went for it.  The way they put it together.




     My grandfather’s name was John Andrew Smith.  The first son of John Smith who had an “X” in  his name from Brigham Young….he was his first son.  He was the first boy that was born in Cedar City, Utah.  My great grandfather was down there because Brigham Young wanted a shoemaker in Cedar City.  And my great grandfather was an apprentice shoemaker.  After my great grandfather had been there long enough that he had a second son by the name of Joseph Anthony Smith, Brigham Young found out there  was already a shoemaker there in Cedar City.



So he sent  John “X” over to Beaver in all that sagebrush.  I always say we went in the sagebrush, because that’s all there ever was around Beaver was sagebrush.



It was a pretty tough place to live compared to Cedar City.


     My grandmother’s name was Charlotte Swindlehurst.  She came over from England as a girl 12 years of age.  She was thoroughly trained in the woolen mills, the knitting mills and so on over in England.  And at Beaver they had a woolen mill.  The minute she landed there with her family, her older sister and her, they immediately went into the mill because they knew all the things that were going on.


     My mother’s family were Bradshaw’s.  My great grandfather Bradshaw, Richard and his son George Albert Irving Bradshaw.  His wife is Elizabeth Moffatt.   My grandfather, when he came over from England was only 2 years old.  They landed in Beaver and he kind of grew up there, I guess.  I don’t know whether they went right straight to Beaver of not.  I have no history on that.


     My parents names… father was named somewhat after his father.  My father was the first son of John Andrew and his name was John Thomas Smith.  He always went by Tommy or Thomas.


     My mother was Elizabeth Alice Bradshaw.  And she was the oldest in her family.





     Anything he could get to do.  He didn’t have really….. kind of a jack-of-all-trades.  He liked horses….my grandfather was a blacksmith and my dad picked up the blacksmithing from him and my dad with his picking up and so on, was awfully handy with tools.


     My grandfather Bradshaw was a farmer and miscellaneous stuff.  He run sheep and was a sheepherder a lot.  (the census record had him listed as a sheepherder)  Yeah, he was out in the hills with the sheep.  He didn’t do too much like getting out in the hay field and a lot of that stuff.  He’d rather be out in there (the hills) cause he told me there’s only one way to kill those rattle snakes.  You have a forked stick and you get the rattle snake running through the sagebrush and you get the snake by the tail and you flip him quick and you break his neck.  He said, “Many ‘s the time I’ve done that.”  It was interesting to me that he would tell me that.


     Grandpa Bradshaw …. George Albert Irving Bradshaw lived out at Pine Creek and the only thing they had in town was a little log cabin there on Main Street at the north edge of town.  Well, they were kind of out of the city limits.  Just out….. just barely out.  However I understood before that that when  they’d come into town most of the time they went down to his folks.  They lived down…..that was my little grandma…..they lived down the street about three blocks.  And as I remember, and this is me remembering and I was just a youngster, it was a log cabin too.  Kind of rough and the place outside was a little bit unkept.  That is they had plum trees around and they had this, that and the other around that they used for food and all that…. just rough looking.  (The natural look).







     John “X” Smith was our first ancestor on my dad’s side to have come over to America.  On my mother’s side, George Albert Irving Bradshaw came over when he was two, so it was his father Richard Bradshaw technically that was the fist adult ancestor to come over to America, with his wife, Ellen Holroyd.  My little grandmother!


     We do not know anything about what happened in there.  You take his  birthdate and her

birthdate….. there’s a big span.  And somewhere there’s a note.  Sarah Ann Bradshaw is a child of the first wife and Richard Bradshaw.  Somewhere along there something happened…..but you can’t get a story.  Nobody ever got anything out of them.  They would not talk….they’d clam up immediately if something was brought up that way.


     One time my mother knew her Dad was coming over to visit.  And she asked me to get a pencil and paper and take some notes as she asked him some questions.  He came in, sat down and he and mother were talking about various things.  And then he noticed me at the table writing.  Grandpa looked over at me and said, “Son, what are you doing over there?”  I said, Grandpa, what do you mean?”  “Well, are you writing some of this  I’m talking about?”  I said, “Isn’t……”

I got that far”isn’t” and mother took up the cause and said, “Well, Dad, isn’t that all right for him to make some notes on this?”  And he put on his hat and coat and went home.


     He didn’t show up for quite awhile.  And nobody got anything out of him.  Jasper tried to get some things.  None of the family would ever give anything.  I don’t know what was going on.  Cause Jarom (Grandpa’s brother) didn’t seem to know very much about anything...he always seemed to be in trouble and things.  He had some mental disability I think.  Jarom.




     Well, she was unhappy.  We had her living with us in Provo until your brother got to really….well, that guy was a hellion.  Boy, he sure had grandma in stitches, all the time.  Boy, I’m telling you.  He pulled some of the doggondest tricks and things that way and got away with it.

And she’d get after him and it wouldn’t phase him a bit.  About her name.  They were talking about things….she and LaVina or one of Ethel’s sisters there were talking about things and it came up about her name.  “Well, every place we’ve seen anything your listed as being Charlotta.”

And she said, “My name was never Charlotta.  I was never called that.  Never.  My name is Lottie.”

And she was very vehement about it.


     Charlotta goes on my grandmother’s name.  Swindlehurst is the name.  You know where they come from?  They came over too.  They came out of Lancashire.  Baxendon, Acrinton, Lancanshire, England.  Which is almost right up where the temple is going up.  Its in that area.









     I never was doing hunting until….didn’t have much to do when we got to Provo, on week ends and such.  YOU COULD HAVE GONE TO CHURCH!  They didn’t want us at church.  We’d go there and nobody would even speak to us.  And it was the ward your mother had gone to all the time she had lived in Provo.  The Monavue Ward.  The church right off the campus.


     So we got out of that.  And the thing that happened then….a fellow came into the office in Utah Power and Light and I was working on the drawing board and he came over and we got acquainted.  He had some problem with something that was going on, in his service or something of that nature.  And for some reason somebody sent him back to me to answer the problem.  It wasn’t really in my line of business.  So he talked about it and I went over and talked to somebody else and we decided what to do.  So we helped him out.  And then he said, “Well, your down here new and that….what do you do for recreation or things away from the job here?”  I said, “Oh, we’re not doing very much.”  I said, ”We’re just down here.”  We’re trying to get ourselves back on track a little, cause we’ve kind of been pushed in the face a little bit.  I don’t remember if I told him the story about the birth and death of our little girl or not.  But it was one of those things that was pretty heavy.  And

he says, “Well, why don’t you come over to the Armory?”  I said, “What’s over to the Armory?”  He says, “Oh, we’re doing rifle work over there.  Rifle shooting”  He says, “You shoot, don’t you?”  I says, “Ha, I never shot much.  The only thing my Dad’s got a little repeating 22 Winchester special and when we’d go out after wood we’d take it along.  You go across some of those gulches and there’s cotton tails in there and their awful good eating .  I’ve killed a couple of those once in

awhile.  Kind of by accident.  I think.  all I know is what Dad’s kind of pointed out to me how to aim and fire.  That’s about all I know about it.”  He says, “Well, why don’t you come over.”  I says, “Nah, I’ve got my wife and we’re going to see that she’s taken care of the best I can.”  H says, “Bring her over.”  And I says, “What do you mean bring her over?”  he says, “We’ve got women there shooting.  There’s a lot of good shooters in the women.”  I says, “Well, I’ll talk it over and we’ll see what happens.”  I don’t know….I said something about it and she said to me …..”Would you like to go down?”  I said, “Well,  its up to you….as far as I’m concerned, why…..?”

She said, “Well, lets go down and see what their doing.”  Next thing I knew she was down on the floor with a 22 shooting….indoors at 50 feet in the Armory that way and they had a big backstop.

And it got to be kind of fun and then they had these matches coming up over to Fort Douglas and matches over to Springville, and matches over to….where Dale lived….Payson.  We went over to

Payson that way, went over to Goshen.  Yeah, went to Goshen shooting and then they had their other matches up at Logan and across the border into Idaho.  We went there several  times on some matches.  And that was always on Sunday.  And of course we’d not been going to church anyway.

Fact is the Bishop would go out to the place when “A” was living with us and at that point somebody had brought a bottle of wine in and the wine was sitting on the table.  Those boys that “A” was running with, some of them were……(A little wild, maybe?)  Let’s see… of the boys that “A: was with, lived with us awhile until your mother got ready to deliver you.







     My brother Alden was living with us also.  And what was that other guys name?  That guy that “A” was very friendly with?  Wayne Harris.  And so when your mother got to the point where she didn’t want to handle things that way…. we asked Alden if he wouldn’t leave and we asked the Wayne if he wouldn’t leave, but we kept “A” on.  We needed to keep him on because we made a vow that we were going to see that he got through school.  And we knew doggone well that if he got out of there we’d have no control.


     Oh, on this rifle business then it got to be kind of a morish (always wanted more) thing all the time.  We’d go to these other matches and your mother and I were keeping score and all that stuff.  We got right in the middle of it.  We had the scores and then I’d make a write up to put in the newspaper and all that stuff.  We were kind of right in the middle….all the time.  I wasn’t the best shot….you mother was always shooting equal or better, on the 22.  But we got into the large bore rifle, that was something else.  There was quite a lot of push on that.


     So it went on that way for several years and then 1939, early in the year were shoot offs at Fort Douglas.  They qualified to put the Utah team in place.  And I shot the 13th highest in there.  I was the thirteenth guy….thirteen down the line.  so I wasn’t perfect by any means.  I don’t know…..I just decided I’d go back to Camp Parry in Ohio.  I talked to your mother about going back, and she said “Well she didn’t figure she’d like to take time out that way to go back, and she’d rather not.”  So I just hopped the bus and I took my rifle… the  one I’ve got here with me, with the idea that I knew the sights and so on like that.  Had it in the scabbard on the bus, checked in and out and all that stuff.  Got back there and they were issuing rifles and they had a guy there that was keen on sights.  They’d issue a rifle and he’d come in and he fixed those sights up that way and I said….”Why should I shoot and wear my rifle out?”


     Camp Parry was outside of Toledo, Ohio.  It was about 5 to 10 miles out of Toledo and we had a rifle range out that way that was 5 miles long.  They had people straight out five miles shooting those rifles into Lake Erie.  Lake Erie was the back stop.  So there’s a lot of lead in Lake Erie.  I don’t know if they’ve ever gone down and cleaned part of it out or not.


     When I was back there, that far, all on my own.  That is the government paid my way back there and back home.  I decided that when I was that close to Cleveland, Ohio….I wrote from there over to the General Electric Lighting Institute and asked them if there was any class schedule coming on and I got a note that they had an advanced lighting course going that next week and I hopped the bus and went to Cleveland, Ohio on my own.  And I was glad I was there, but I was glad I’d had lighting before, because  boy, it was ADVANCED.  It was very advanced.  I got a lot of help on that program.  I took the bus back home.  It was a good trip.  And then I got back home and we’d lost that election and we were through with Utah Power and Light.


     After the deal over there that way, they elected new officers and they elected me as the President of the Utah Rifle team.  So when I was through at Utah Power and Light, I took the assistant and I dumped it all in his lap.  I helped run the pistol shooting that came up first and then he had the rifle work on afterwards.  Brought the guns along and then came home…..that is when we came up here in 1940.  It had been the year before that I was back in Camp Parry….1939.



Final pages of Life Story of Elmer H. Smith

Alderwood Manor, Washington




     Did I do any actual hunting?  Like deer?  Every time I got a chance.  Had a shot gun and when quails came along, and when pheasants come along we were out doing some shooting.  And then down in Provo, why we were shooting birds down that way.  Your mother and I …..we hunted all through those west fields there in Provo.  All out through there.  We got tracks out there, your mother and I, where we were.  We put some Russian Olive trees all over around out there,  Your mother and I and that whole shooting crowd….we got plants and we planted all those banks because those quail sure liked those.  Yep, we put those all over those banks every place.






     Snatched, like that!  Your mother had three sisters living up here.  One of her sisters name was Josephine and Josephine had a husband by the name of Willis Franklin Taylor.  (HE WAS ALWAYS UNCLE BILL TO ME.  HE ALWAYS SAID, ‘OH, FOOT’)  Yeh, yes, he did.  And he was kind of on what you’d call the High Council.  I don’t know what they called them back in those days.  Cause you see they had the whole area…..clear back up into Canada.  And he had this assignment this one time to go out there and he got your mother and I and said, “Why don’t you go with me?”  We ended up in Canada and he talked in Canada in the meetings up that way and got down to Bellingham and we were all in there and doggon him, he asked me to get up and talk.  Here I hadn’t been to church for years. ( WELL, WHAT DID YOU TALK ABOUT?  - 2 MINUTES)  Chup, chup, chup, chup, chup.  Not very much.  They had a little church on the hill side there, off the road.  A funny, little place.  Anyway, after that I got back into church.  Here in the little branch they had in Seattle, they were meeting in the University District above a dance studio.  We were cleaning it up and whatever.  And they moved into there  and then they came out to Green Lake to the Masonic Temple and then they moved back into the American Legion Hall.  When we first moved up here it was called the University Branch.


     Our first Bishop (or branch president)  was Frank Parry - P A R R Y    Parry.  Frank Parry’s folks came out of Wales.  And his family….part of his early family were the ones working the choir in Salt Lake.  Parry’s that had the choir.  And they were very musical.  So then this war business come on and “A”’s brother…..the attorney…..Mac Call was the secretary or the ward clerk and almost immediately that war come on and he was called into the service.  And at that time they pushed me into being Ward Clerk.  I was the Ward clerk for all the bishops.  (FOREVER….WHEN I WAS GROWING UP YOU WERE THERE FOREVER)  And forever you were doing everything that was need yourself.  They didn’t have three and four clerks to do what I used to do.  Back when we used to have Sunday School in the morning and Sacrament meeting later in the afternoon/evening, we used to go home, have some lunch and then I’d count the tithing money that had been turned in that morning and make out a tithing receipt.  Then I’d pass them out before or after Sacrament meeting that night.   They always joked with me about this and I’ve still got people that joke about it.  “Well, when those kids paid you tithing, you held their receipts and gave them to the kids and you didn’t give them to anybody else.  I said, It was their receipt and they deserved to have it given to them?  It helped them to remember the principle of tithing.




     So I was clerk until they divided the Stake.  They divided the Stake and they organized…..they had the South Seattle Stake was down there and then the North Seattle Stake was up here and then they divided the wards and then we had the Third Ward and the Fifth Ward, which had been originally the University Ward and some other Wards were made.  (After we moved into our ‘new; building at 5701 8th NE and had been meeting there a short while….is when the University Ward was divided into the Third and Fifth Ward).  Some of the Bishops I worked under were Wilford Payne, Merrill Boyack..   Wilford Payne wanted me to be Stake Clerk, but I didn’t want to do that.  I served for a short time with Bishop Fortney as his counselor.  I kind of got in trouble with him and was released shortly after.   I worked in the Stake Sunday School as Secretary immediately after they got me out of the Bishopric.  We only had 25 departments in Sunday School.  And being the Secretary I had 25 secretaries to get reports from for the different Sunday Schools.  For our visits we used to have to travel up to Bellingham and clear over to Whidbey Island….the whole area clear down to Kent …..including Kent.  This was before the stake was divided too…….we had that much.  The guy that was the Stake Sunday School Superintendent at that time is still over to the Temple…….as a sealer.  Floyd Swenson.  And I think we had 34 Sunday Schools.  As I remember.  That is little branches and whatever.  I kid him over there (at the temple) every once in awhile.


      When they divided the Stake, Rulon David Bangerter went in as Superintendent and I was still Secretary.   And then they put a fellow in that was in the Army Engineers.  He was living in Ballard.  Anyway he was living up in the north end and I went to his office to help…..cause he was the Superintendent and I was his assistant.  I went over there to see  how he was working and all he was doing… guy had a piece of paper that was passed over to him and he put his initial on  it and he passed it to another guy and he put an initial on it, etc.  I said, “Boy, what a job!”  I asked him if he knew what he’d signed, and he said, “I don’t know and I don’t care.”  I don’t remember his name…… he was quite a character.  And then one of the Presidency…..he and I had a little tangle there, cause he wanted to take our music man off the board (the Sunday School board) and put him in as a Scout leader.  I said, ‘Your taking a music man and putting him in as a scout leader, when we’ve  got no music people…. really enough music people to put the music over.”  I said that was ridiculous.  He finally reneged and took it off that way.  Anyway when things developed out here (at Martha Lake)  and we were going to start this church building (Mountlake Building)  I went to him and I says, “Well, I’m on that Stake work that way on Sunday School.  I like it.  I’ve had some pleasure…… I’ve had some grief and I’ve had some problems and things of that nature, but I think that’s the nature of this whole world.  But I says, now I’ve got another program and I said, “I’ve been on this building program because I drew the complete electrical plans and wrote the complete specifications for our new building out in Alderwood Ward.  And another fellow (Rex Smith) and I have taken the contract to put the electrical service in the building.  I’ll stay on and do as much as I can in the Sunday School work, but I’m not going to be able to put the time in that I have been putting.  Now, I said, “I’m putting it to you this way and if you want me to stay there, I’ll do all I can.  If you want to move me out I’m not going to be offended or hurt or anything like that.”  And so they decided to….and about that time the Sunday School was breaking up any way it seems like because it wasn’t too long after that that they got into these other programs.  It wasn’t too long.





     As soon as the building was finished, I went in as financial clerk in the Alderwood Ward.  Then you and your mother were working in the library program and I seemed to get involved too.  I was put in as Stake Director of Libraries.  Then you mother had that stroke and I was trying to carry on and be there for her.


Note:   These last several years Dad had also served as Secretary to the Young Men and Secretary to the High Priests in the Alderwood Ward.  The Alderwood Ward was divided this past year and he’s presently serving as Secretary of the Alderwood 2nd Ward Sunday School.  He has also served as a worker in the Seattle Temple since it opened in the fall of 1980…..fifteen years.




     In the summer of 1992 we had a Elmer H. Smith Family Reunion out at Dad’s home on Martha Lake.  His two children, Elwyn and Eleana were there, as well as many of his grandchildren and great-grandchildren.  And his brother Eldred and some of his family.  A great time was had by all…..even though it did rain a lot…...on the Fourth of July reunion.  As part of the reunion, we originally had planned to have everyone write something about Elmer and we would put it in  a book, for him.  The only one who seemed to “get around tuit” was his grandson, Morgan Dean Smith.  He and his family weren’t able to be at the reunion.  I think the things they wrote expressed all of our feelings about “Dad” or “Grandpa Smith”.       




      Grandpa Smith can quiet young children when no one else can.  he was one of the first baby sitters with whom we dared to trust our firstborn daughter.


     And as everyone knows, our Grandpa makes the once a week trek to the Seattle Temple every Friday.  He serves those who have passed on as well as those who are living.  We felt it very appropriate to have Grandpa there as one of the special witnesses in our marriage ceremony.  There have been other occasions when we have attended the temple and Grandpa was there to guide us.


     As occasion will permit,  Grandpa Smith is there to participate in the blessings and baptisms of our children.  The Smith families in Utah have enjoyed his recent visits during the Thanksgiving and Christmas Holidays.


     Grandpa Smith is industrious and teaches thrift.  If he can use a scrap to fix something, or can rejuvenate worn out possessions, he will.  Not only had he helped us fix lights, appliances, and chairs, but rumor has it …..he had been the fix-it man throughout other Smith households.  Even though Grandpa does not bring in a great deal of money, he manages to have enough for his needs, and always finds enough to help others.


Grandpa Smith is a  “recycled teenager.”  He becomes involved in activities that “old” people would not dare to do ---like pulling lily pads from a row boat.




     Grandpa is fun loving and enjoys making others happy.  Many times, while driving down the road, Grandpa makes your children laugh.


     Grandpa Smith is a genius.  Anyone who knows him, reveres him as quick witted and intelligent.  Not only does he strive to keep abreast of current events, but he remembers several former happenings ---what a memory.!


     Grandpa Smith is compassionate.  He cares about everyone.  It is apparent that he is a parent to all.  Grandpa Smith is always there when you need him.  For that we truly thank him!


       We love you Grandpa Smith!


        Morgan, Jerry, Lynsey and Kaylene.


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