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Evan and Richard Thomas, Wales to Hilltown, PA

(1765—1784)

Original research documenting preserved family history that Evan Sr., wife, Mary, and 4 children arrived from Pembroke Wales by 1720. Settled in Hilltown 1721; Evan died and buried New Britain Baptist Church cemetery. His death is recorded January 1, 1766. His children were Richard, Joseph, Evan, and Diana. He was the first Evan in Hilltown and New Britain. However, Thomas researchers must be careful; there were many others of this name is the surrounding area. And many married to Sarah's, Ann's and Mary's--the names of Evan's wives. He was also briefly married to an Elizabeth. There is no mention anywhere of any children beyond the four with Mary. This is the culmination of years of research. However, please evaluate my conclusions for yourselves. Individuals who have mistaken another Evan, from Virginia, for this Evan are distorting my conclusions to serve their own theory. If you do not agree Evan Sr. died in Bucks please do not reproduce any item on this page. See bottom.

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  RICHARD THOMAS

From The Thomas Family of Hilltown, Bucks County, Penn" by Edward Matthews 1884: Evan's son Richard, succeeded him and they remained up to the time of the Revolution. They were not Baptists as were the other family of which this history relates. They were large landholders, were esteemed wealthy and aristocratic, and held a number of slaves. On the upper Bethlehem turnpike, half a mile above the divergence of the highway from the county line, near the blacksmith shop of Leonard Smith (Lee Fluck Farm), was the family grave yard, where besides family a considerable number of their slaves were buried. This burial place has now been ploughed over, and there is little to indicate that it was once the place of interment of a prominent and wealthy family of the colonial days. When the Revolutionary war broke out the sons of Richard Thomas, William and Evan became Tories and entered the British army. The former was a captain, and the latter accepted a commission and raised a troop of horsemen. He made several incursions into Bucks county, and was at the Battle of Crooked Billet (Hatboro), May 15, 1778. Their lands were confiscated by their treason, and at the close of the war they accepted lands in Nova Scotia from the British government. Evan Thomas afterwards returning to Hilltown and removing his family thither."

 

 Richard Thomas, born Bet. 1710 - 1716 in Wales; died 1776 in Hilltown, Pennsylvania. He was the son of  Evan Thomas and  Mary who died in 1721.  The family had arrived at the Montgomery Baptist Church in 1720. Evan and his family were living in Hilltown by 1721 and Evan became a large landholder. After Mary he married Elizabeth and by 1733 had married Sarah.  It may be Sarah who was Richard's link to the Abington Monthly Meeting.

Richard married  Elizabeth Walton 1736 in Abington Meeting, PA. She was born Abt. 1718 in Pennsylvania (Byberry), and died 1785 in Hilltown, Pennsylvania. She was the daughter of Joshua Walton and Cassandra Albertson

Noted historian Edward Mathews is the primary source for information regarding Evan and his son, Richard. Mathews' information likely came from oral history as no primary materials have been found to document Evan and Richard's relationship. Mathews was a descendant of Richard's sister, Diana Thomas Mathews.  No doubt he was privy to a great deal of family legend. It seems that Evan could have been a brother to Lewis Thomas. Lewis' children followed the Welsh naming pattern to use Lewis as a surname.  

Papers read before the Society and other historical papers, Bucks County Historical Society.  Louis Ely Thompson.1937.   "Edward Mathews, in writing about the Thomases of Hilltown, says that Evan Thomas' family was of Welsh descent, that they were not related to the other Thomases of that township, and that they were an aristocratic and wealthy family possessed of much land and several slaves. Their home was near Rieff's Corner. William and Evan Thomas (Richard's son) were grandsons of the first Evan in Hilltown."   I have been able to document that there was only one Evan in Hilltown in the early years which I consider proof that Richard is the son of Evan from Pembrokeshire who came to Hilltown in 1721 per Baptist history.

Evan was a Baptist but there is no record of Richard's having been baptized or having been a church member. However, there is a very curious entry in the Montogomery Baptist Church book: 1731, Nov. 16, baptized Elizabeth Walton.  This does raise the possibility that Richard had been baptized and that Elizabeth, despite her Quaker heritage, had been as well.  At some point she then returned to the Quaker fold bringing Richard with her.

Richard was a Quaker at the time of his marriage. This has led some researchers to conclude that Richard was descended from Quakers. However, an extensive search of Quaker materials revealed no information about Richard prior to his marriage to Elizabeth. There are no Abington records of his transfering to that meeting or of his having been born in Montgomery County. Mathews felt he was a native of Wales--since there is no record of his having been born in Pennsylvania this appears likely. All his children were eventually dismissed from the Gwynedd MM-William for marrying out and other misconduct. Martha for conceiving a child out of wedlock. All the others for marrying out. It does not appear that the Quaker belief was a very strong influence on Richard or his children

Richard received a patent for land along the Saucon Creek in Northampton County, PA in 1739. However, he abandoned it to move to Hilltown.

From the " Wandering through Historic Hilltown" a collection of old historical articles written by Edward Mathews: "It was in 1740 that Henry Paxon sold to Richard Thomas, as much as 320 acres situated along the county line. This extended for perhaps a mile ana a half along the townships' boundaries and northeast half a mile over the rugged regime of hill and dale. This was part of the 650 acres Jeremiah Langhorne hand sold to Henry Paxon. This was sold to Richard Thomas for 690 pounds--indicating no improvements. This piece extended along the county line for 440 perches, climbing the long slope above Reiff's Corner and over the rolling country beyond.

" This Thomas family waxed thriving and prosperous, were considered somewhat aristocratic and were slave holders. In the tax list of 1774 we have the names Richard Thomas and his son, Evan Thomas. the death of Richard Thomas took place in 1776. His son, Levi Thomas inherited 162 acres, or one-half of the tract bought in 1740."

Richard and his family moved from Lower Dublin, which today is part of Philadelphia, about 1745. Mathews believed he was about 70 at the time of his death and was not certain where he lived on his plantation which included in 1880 the lands of Appenzeller, Fluck, Zearfoos, Brandt and Nyce. Appenzeller was an employee of Richard Thomas, living as a tenant farmer on his land. Richard's son, Levi, lived on the Appenzeller farm, and perhaps his parents lived with him. His son Evan lived on the former Reiff property.

Speaking of the Fluck farm, Mathews said a newer house succeeded an old dwelling, probably of logs, which stood near the road and beyond the driveway to the barn that had been built by the Thomas family. "Like all property bordering the county line and the Sellersville turnpike for a mile northwest of Reiff's corner, this belonged to the ancient Thomas family."

Deed: 1740,

This indenture made the Twenty First day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and forty. Between Richard Thomas of Lower Dublin Township in the County of Philadelphia, Mason, and Elizabeth his wife of the first part and Jorg Henrich Hirzell of Richill in the County of Bucks, yeoman. WHEREAS by Indenture bearing date the thirteenth day of October last past, Henry Paxson of Middleton in the said county of Bucks, tanner, * * * did grant and con-vey unto the said Richard Thomas * * * a certain tract of land situate near a place called Perheassing in the said county of Bucks (which since the laying out of townships in those parts is found to be within the limits of Hilltown Township * * * NOW THIS INDENTURE WITNESSETH that the said Richard Thomas and Elizabeth his wife for and in consideration of the sum of Ninety pounds * * * HAVE granted, bargained, sold, released and confirmed unto the said Jorg Henrich Hirzell a certain piece of land, part of the aforesaid bounded by lands of said Richard Thomas, Evan Griffith and Henry Hartly, containing one hundred acres * * * IN WITNESS whereof the said parties to these presents have interchangeably set their hands and seals hereunto. Dated the Day and Year first above written.,,RICHARD Thomas Elizabeth Thomas.

From Gwynedd Monthly Meeting records: 26-11-1741 Richard Thomas and wife produced certificate from Abington Monthly meeting for self and wife.

3rd Gwynedd. 30, 1761. Richard Thomas has purchased a slave, and he being in this meeting, Friends had a good opportunity to lay the inconsistency of the practice before him.

The inhabitants along the route of the new road as laid out by the road jury, became dissatisfied, and at the March term of Court, in 1744-1745, joined in a petition for relief, and asked for a change of location of route. The petition reads:-- "Whereas, the Honorable Court of Quarter Sessions held for the County in September last, Did Grant and Order, to Lay out a Road from the line Dividing ye Counties of Phila. & Bucks, (beginning at a Corner of Richard Thomas's Land), to ye Road Leading from George Myer's Mill to ye Great Road (Allentown) Leading to Philada, which was accordingly Laid out, which Road is very Detrimental to many of ye Inhabitants, Chiefly to Joost (Yost) Cope, John Shelenberger & Jacob Leydy, whose Plantations it breaks very incommodiously too, ye Ground also being very mirie & bad, your Petitioners therefore pray that ye said Road, (which is not Confirm at yet), May be Dropt."

August 29, 1745

The Pennsylvania Gazette

To be sold by publick Vendue, on the 5th of September next, A Fulling Mill and House, with all the Tools belonging to the Mill, in exceeding good Order, some Houshold Goods, and 200 Bushels of Charcoal; also 8 Acres of good Land, 4 of which Meadow, well water'd, and fenced in with a good Hedge, and a good young Orchard, Out houses, &c. The Mill is situate about 12 Miles from Philadelphia, near Pennypeck Creek, within Half a Mile of Busseltown. Any Person inclining to purchase, may apply to Richard Thomas, living on the Premises, where the Vendue will be kept. Twelve Months Credit will be given for one Half of the Money, provided the other Half is paid in three Months after the Sale. The Vendue will begin at Ten o'Clock, RICHARD THOMAS.

From the Pa Gazzette 1746: Came to the plantation of Richard Thomas, of Hilton township, Bucks county, the latter end of April last, a roan filley, something more than a year old, branded on the near buttock KN. The owner, describing her other marks, and paying charges, may have her again.

September 4, 1746, The Pennsylvania Gazette: ON Monday the 22d of this Instant September, will be exposed to sale by Vendue, the Fulling Mill in Lower Dublin, Philadelphia County, which formerly belong'd to Richard Thomas, the same is in exceeding good repair, together with all the Implements and Utensils necessary for Fulling, Dying, Tentering, Sheering, Pressing, &c. with a good Dwelling House, a Working Shop, and Out houses, and Eight Acres of good Land, the greatest Part Meadow, all within Fence and well situated for Business. Then and there will be sold an English Waggon and Gears, good working and riding Horse, sheep [?], Plow and Plow irons, &c. The Conditions of sale will then be made known SAMUEL THOMAS.

From Northampton County records: Mortgage for 194pds, 19s, 3 p, 9 May 1765. Mortgager, John Custard, Heidelberg twp and his wf Ann. Mortgagee, Thomas Thomas, Hilltown twp. Bucks Co. Property, 135 acres near Lizard Creek by land late George Custard deceased, vacant land, and land of John Rhoads (which was one of four tracts which John Jennings, late sheriff, by writ, sold to Richard Thomas, 19 Sept 1763; Then to Richard Thomas, Hilltowns, Bucks Co and his wife Elisabeth, sold to John Custard, 8 April 1765.

 

WILL OF RICHARD THOMAS

From Philadelphia County Court House

Died 1776

Be it Remembered that I Richard Thomas of Hilltown in the County of Bucks and Province of Pennsylvania Yeoman being Sick of body, but of Sound Mind, Memory, and Understanding, think it necessary to dispose of those Worldly Goods that God in Mercy hath given me to Enjoy by this my Last will and Testament in Manor hereafter Expressed, That is to Say first of all I will that all my Just Debts and funeral Expenses be well truly and faithfully paid and discharged.

Item I give and bequeath unto my well beloved wife Elisabeth one feather Bed and all the apurtenanies thereunto belonging of her choice of my beds, one Iron Pot and one Small brass kettle, one Cow of her Choice, and my will in that my Said wife Shall have the priveledge of my two back rooms down Stears and in the kitchen what may be thought Necessary for her to do her work in, and also roome in the Seller for her use all the said priviledges to Continue during her widdow hood and no longer, And my Son Levi Shall during his Mother's widdowhood find and Provide for his said Mother Eight bushels of wheat a year and four of rye Also one good fat Hog and one quarter of beef a year one barrel of Syder a year and water Syder what she may have occation of and apples for her use, fifteen punds of flax and ten of wool a year, And Shall keep her a Cow winter and Sumer and find her a Horse to ride on where She has occation to goe and Shall Cut and hall to the door as much fire wood as may be Necessary for her use, during her widdowhood, and my Said son shall pay unto his said Mother yerly and Every during her natural life the Sume of Six pounds of Pennsylvania Currency.

Item I give and bequeath unto my Son William Thomas the full and Just Sume of fifty pounds of Pennsylvania Currency.

Item I give and bequeath unto my son Josia the full and Just sume of forty pounds of like money as aforre said.

Item I give and bequeath unto my Son Joshua the full and Just sume of forthy pounds and like money affore said.

Item I give and bequeath unto my Daughter Hannah Coocker the full and Just Sume of forty pounds of like money as affore said to be paid in Eight Equall Payments the first to be made in one year after my decease and the remainder in yearly payments untill the whole is pade.

Item I give and bequeath unto my Daughter Martha the full and Just Sume of fifty Pounds of like money as affore said, and also my little Negroe Girl Called Rose Untill She attains to the age of thirty years, and my will is that then, if She lives to the age of thirty years, She Shall from thence forward be a free Negroe as although She had never been a slave.

Item I give and bequeath unto my Negroe Felis her freedom when she Attains to the age of thirty years and that She shall from thence forward to a free woman.

Item I give and Devise and bequeath unto my Son Evan Thomas Sixty four Acres and thirty four perches of Land where on he lives Sittuated in Hilltown afforesaid. According to the Draught of the said Land, with all the buildings, and appurtenances thereon Erected to hold to him his heirs and Assigns for Ever he paying in consideration thereof to his brother Levi one year after my decease to Enable him to pay my Just debts and the Leagicies before Mentioned.

Item I give devise and bequeath unto my Son Levi Thomas the remainder of my Land and Plantation I live on Sittuate in Hilltown affore Containing by Estimation one Hundred and Sixty acres be it more or be it less, with all the buildings and apurtenances thereunto belonging or in any wise appertaining to hold to him his heirs and assigns for Ever, he allowing and paying in Lue thereof to his Mother yearly and Every year the Sum of Money and Privaligies Mentioned in this my will to her.

Item I do hereby Constitute Depute and appoint my Son Evan and Levi Thomas both of Hilltown affore Said to be Joynt and Co Executors of this my Last will and Testament, Giveing them full power and absolute authority to Sell and dispose of all my Lands and Tenaments that are in North Hampton County they being over the blue mountain with all the buildings and Improvements and appurtenances thereunto Belonging or in any wise Appertaining, Giving them full Power and Abslolute Authority to make and Execute a Good and Effectual Coveance in Law on the Same Unto Such Person or persons that may or Shall Purcase the Same and unto his or their Heirs and assigns for Ever

as I my Self might or could do were I living, Also I will and direct that Sale be made of all my Personal Estate Goods and Chattles, save what is before bequeathed, and the Monies arising from the Sale of my said Lands and from my Personal Estate after paying my said debts and funeral Expenses and the Leagicies hereby bequeathed, if any there be remaining, I give and bequeath unto my said wife Elisabeth, and to my said Children William, Josia, Joshua, Evan, Levi, Hannah, and Martha to be Equally divided between them Share and Share alike. I do hereby Nominate and appoint my friends Thomas Thomas and Henry Rees to be Trustees of this my Last Will and

Testament to see it accomplished. Finally I do revoke, anul and make Void all former and other Wills by me heretofore made or declared to be made Either by word of Mouth or in writing Ratifieing and Confirming this only written on both Sides of this Sheet of Paper to be my last.

In witness where of I have hereunto Set my hand and Seal this Nineteenth day of February in the year of our Lord one thousand Seven hundred and Seventy two 1772.

Signed Rhrd Thomas

Witnesses: Thos. Thomas, Henry Reese, John Cope

Proved May 8, 1776

 

Notes for Elizabeth Walton:

Will Abstracts Book 4, Bucks Co. 1778-1786: 4.348

Elizabeth Thomas, Widow. October 4,1784 Proved 1-10-1785

"Relict of Richard Thomas Son: Levi, exr. Daugther: Martha and her son Jonathan

Witnesses: Benjamin Griifith, Jonathan Walton, Cadwd. Morris

Their marriage is confirmed by: Record of June 1736 marriage per: Family History Library: Linages of Hereditary Society Members, 1600's - 1900's Sons and Daughter of Pilgrims, VolII, Linage of Members, page 189

Photocopy of Elizabeth's will is included in accompanying images.

Evan Thomas Sr., Immigrant Ancestor, c1685-1766

Born in Wales c1685 and Died in c1765 Bucks County, PA

Evan Thomas 1734 Warrant
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From The Thomas Family of Hilltown, Bucks County, Penn" by Edward Matthews 1884: " Lewis Thomas and Evan Thomas, both Welshman, were among the earlier settlers of Hilltown, holding lands in the western portion, near Rieff's corner, and eastward of the village Telford."

Both the place of his birth and death have been confirmed by newly found family letters.  This apparently was family tradition for generations but was not passed on to the most recent until now. It is likely when the part of the Thomas family returned from Canada to Chicago, they were uninterested in revealing their loyalist background found there to the children.

I have heard from another Thomas in Canada after posting the above, that this was also the oral tradition of his branch. The first generation came to Bucks County, farmed and died there.  At the end of the revolution, several of Richard's sons and families went to New Brunwick where they were first settlers. His story was more complete because they had been proud of being loyalists

 

Evan Thomas was born between 1675-1688 in Wales, probably in the vicinity of the Rhydwilym Chapel in Pembrokeshire; died c1765 and was buried by 1/1/1766 in New Britain Baptist Church yard, Bucks County. The exact date of his death is not known. He married Mary before 1710 in Wales. She died 1721 in Pennsylvania. He then was married to Elizabeth, briefly, and then Sarah by 1732  as confirmed by two deeds of land sale attached. Sometime after 1738 he probably married Ann as confirmed by a 1757 land transaction.

 He was dismissed to New Britain Baptist Church in 1755 . Edward Mathews, his descendant, writes that he found an entry for Evan Thomas’ (Sr) death in New Britain Baptist Church records for Jan. 1 1776 (1766?). He quotes from church book: "1766, January 1st; Evan Thomas died."  There is another entry from church book: "Jan 1766, Brother Evan Thomas was dead and buried at the Society." This refers to Evan Sr. as Evan Thomas Jr was always referred to as Evan Thomas Jr in these church records.   Bonds were posted for Evan Jr.'s estate and Margaret, his wife, was appointed to administer the estate on May 6, 1766--so Evan Jr. had died shortly before that.

No will has been located in Bucks County for Evan, Sr. However, it's very likely that he settled his estate with his children before he died. By the time he died in c1765 it was not necessary for a will or probate hearing as he no longer held any real estate having sold his farm in 1757 to Edward Mathews. His wife’s signature is just a straight line which indicates age or infirmity, as well. (See attached samples). It was sold before he died he because he was obligated to a yearly “quit rent” to the Penns. The property was considered mortgaged or entailed meaning it could not be inherited. Edward Mathews  had to pick up this obligation as stated in the 1757 terms of sale.  Evan may have want to buy it outright from the Penns, which was permitted, which woukld be why be mortgaged it in 1755.  That would have meant it was "fee simple" and it didn't have to be disposed of before his death.  However, since this didn’t happen in 1755, Evan sold the land in August 1757 to have his estate in order.    It is very likely he was quite infirm and lived with one of his children.

 Children of Evan and Mary:

i. Richard Thomas, born Bet. 1710 - 1716 in Wales; died 1776 in Hilltown, Pennsylvania; married Elizabeth Walton 1736 in Abington Meeting, PA

ii. Diana married John Mathews, son of Simon and brother to Edward and Margaret Mathews

iii Evan, Jr. married Margaret Mathews in 1742 in Philadelphia Presbyterian Church. Died 1766

iv. Joseph married Martha Lewis in Philadelphia, Presbyterian Church in 1737. Ordained Baptist minister 1766 New Britain, PA. He was in 1766 dismissed to Loudoun County, Virginia to establish New Valley Baptist Church near Lucketts.

There is no record or mention any other children than these in Bucks County or elsewhere.

Evan's  arrival in Hilltown in 1721 is confirmed by biographical information for his son, Joseph from VA Baptist Register XXXIX: "Joseph Thomas b.1718 Wales, came to Hilltown in 1721 with parents. Joseph baptized by Benjamin Griffith in 1730 in Montgomery Church, Montgomery Co. Pa. Ordained at New Britain in 1766, preached 1750-60". Materials Towards A History of the Baptists by Morgan Edwards

While Mathews says above that the Evan Thomas  of Hilltown family was not Baptist, this applied to Richard not his father or siblings. *Mathews corrects this in later works. In 1720 the Montgomery (PA) Baptist Church received Evan and Mary Thomas from the Pembrokeshire, Wales Baptist Church. This church was the first Baptist Church in Pembroke--Rhydwilym. Statistics from Table 1 of the Transatlantic Brethren by Samuel Jones shows the only 1720 arrivals to Montgomery Baptist were a man and a woman from Rhydwilym--Evan (I) and Mary. On Rhydwilym’s c1696 church records is an Evan Thomas with wife Joan from Pembrin, County of Cardican (Penbryn, County of Cardigan). This might be the same Evan but this can't be known.

Also there are two Thomas Evan who were baptized in 1704 & 1706 at Rhydwilym—could be he or his father. The church of Rhydwilym had a wide geographical ambit, from mid-Cardigan to Amroth by the sea, from Haverfordwest to Llanllawddog. But after 1700 it began to become more concentrated in the vicinity of the Rhydwilym Chapel; other churches having been established in those areas more distant.

 The early membership at Montgomery and other Pennsylvania Baptist church were monoglot Welshmen. They settled near each other to speak the language and maintain their communities. Most of very first members at Montgomery were from Rhydwilym.

 Montgomery Baptist Church records: 

Evan and Mary Thomas received from the Baptist Church Pembrokeshire, Wales 1720

Mary, wife of Evan Thomas died 12//22/1721

Elizabeth, wife of Evan Thomas received Jan. 1724

Died, 10/28/1724 Elizabeth wife of Evan Thomas

1726 Evan Thomas "cut off" for several untruths and oft repeated drunkenness

1755 Evan Thomas dismissed to New Britain Church.

 

 Church records also show Diana, Evan, Jr. & Joseph Thomas, children of Evan Thomas  baptized 1730 at Montgomery. So it can be assumed that Evan  was reinstated as two of the children were minors. Evan Sr  was received in New Britain with his daughter, Diana, and son, Joseph, on October 30th, 1755. There is no record of his dismissal later to Virginia or anywhere although other dismissals are recorded. The fact that he was transferred with two his children would indicate no rift with them in 1755.

 I have not been able to find the earliest property records for land for Evan and Lewis Thomas near Reiff's corner that Mathews referenced. The only Evans, father and son, who had land in earliest Hilltown immigrated to PA 1720 and moved to Hilltown in 1721. They may have been tenants or squatters or the deeds were not recorded but traced from later transactions. During 1720's & 30's Evan owned a great deal of land southeast of the large tract owned by Andreas Van Buskirk. It may be this land about which Mathews was talking--it is not too far from Reiff's Corner, east of Telford and in the western part of the township.

 Although there could have been an earlier record, the first Hilltown record I found for Evan  was in 1724 on the southeast side of land Andreas Van Buskirk sold to Bernard Young. Young's and Evan's property in 1730 was divided by the "Great Road", today the Hilltown Pike. The general location of this property appears to be in the southwestern part of the town east of Chalfont Road, south of Hilltown Pike and west of Callowhill Road. Certainly, this could be land he purchased in 1721.

 He bought 200 acres in this area from Edward Farmer and William Lowther in 1729. This property is on or near the Hilltown/New Britain border and is described only as being in Bucks County. Although one tract is known to have adjoined Van Buskirk, William Thomas, and John Humphrey and the other adjoined land of said Evan on the northwest side and was said to already be in his possession.

 In 1732 Evan Sr., and Sarah (wife) Thomas sold property in Hilltown to John Lewis near Frets Mill. At the time of the sale the record described him as Evan Thomas, yeoman, Hilltown. This property along with above mentioned one  totaling 200 acres was bought for 10 shillings from Edward Farmar/Farmer and William Lowther in 1729. In 1738 Evan Sr. and Sarah passed by contract the 2nd 100 acres acquired in 1729 to Evan Jr. It does appear that the majority of the land that was originally shown as belonging to the Evans on the 1876 map attached eventually belonged to Evan, Jr. probably as gifts.

 No marriage record or death date has been found for Sarah. Nor is there any evidence documentary or circumstantial that she and Evan had any children. Nothing more is known about her, although it is possible that she was connected to either the Farmar or Lowther family. When property was sold for an undervalued price as the above property was it is often because there is a relationship by marriage of some sort between the two parties to the sale. William Lowther was part of the Abington Monthly Meeting at the time Richard Thomas, Evan Sr's son, and Elizabeth Walton were married there. Perhaps there is a connection there.

 Another 150 acre tract of land in New Britain was warranted in 1734 by Evan Thomas Sr. The northeasterly border began at the Green Hill School House on Callowhill Rd. running southwest 201 perches, then southeasterly for almost a mile to Ferry Road. In 1757 this piece of land where Evan and Ann appear to have lived was sold to Edward Mathew, son of Simon, brother-in-law to two of Evan's children. Mathew may even have allowed Evan and Ann to remain on the property as he owned a mill and a dwelling house near Fretz Mill which he didn’t sell and along with other land until 1760. His occupation is noted as miller in the 1757 deed from Evan Thomas. Edward Mathews, author, wrote a piece first published in the Doylestown Democrat in 1800's about this property that was then known as the Sliffer Homestead that on the attached map of New Britain would be the J. Funk property.  Whether  Evan Sr had actually disposed of all of his Bucks County land by then in not known.

 

 EVAN Jr. married to MARGARET MATHEWS 

The following file #400 applies to Evan, Jr. not Sr.(I) who bought property on his father's line in 1734 and mortgaged it in 1749. Evan, Jr. also bought property in Hilltown in '36 and sold it in ’44. (A point of interest Evan, Jr. signed his full name on one document and later used a mark. This could be related to incapacity of some sort as well. He died fairly young and appeared to have some financial hardship.)

 Orphan's Court File #400 - Evan Thomas, Hilltown

 Dec 8, 1766 - Widow Margaret. Sons John and Benjamin over 14 petition for guardians. Thomas Jones, Jr. appointed for John, Joseph Lunn for Benjamin. There were other children who were not all minors--papers mention several children, male and female, who are unnamed.  There is a very good chance that two of the daughters were Jane and Rebekka.  An Elisha Thomas b1760 may also be connected. 

 Source: Book 1, Orphans Court Records, Bucks Co., Pa. Margaret was ordered by court to sell all land and mansion house to cover debts and expenses for children. The land totaling 115+ acres was purchased by David Mathias. At least 20 additional acres had been sold to Ebezner Owen.

 

Sources for Evan Thomas of Hilltown

1) Genealogical Material copied by Mrs. Philip Meridith Allen, Blue Bell, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, over a period of years, also by Miss Elma C. Bishop, Berwick, Pennsylvania, Wilcox-Roads-Rhoads

2) The Thomas Family of Hilltown, Bucks, Penna by Edward Matthews. "Wandering through Historic Hilltown" Edward Matthews. Matthews researched early land records of the Hilltown area while writing of another Thomas family in the area.

3) Byberry Waltons, 3rd edition, Norman Walton Swayne

4) Bucks County Deed Book; Bucks County Grantor/ Grantee Index

5) History of Montgomery Baptist Church, Edward Mathews

6) Va Baptist Register XXXIX

7) Papers read before the Society and other historical papers, Bucks County Historical Society. Louis Ely Thompson. 1937

8) Transatlantic Brethren: Rev. Samuel Jones (1735-1814) and His Friends : Baptists in Wales, Pennsylvania, and Beyond (Google eBook)

9) Judy Russell. The Legal Genealogist. legal.genealogist.com

10) Bucks County Probate Records, Orphans' Court Records 1766-1801 vol 1-2

11) The Sliffer Homestead, Edward Mathews, Doyletown Democrat, before 1887

12) New Britain Baptist Church Record Book, 1754-

13) Virginia Northern Neck Land Grants, 1694-1742. [Vol. I]

14) A HISTORY OF THE BAPTISTS - Volume - 2 - By Morgan Edwards A.M.

Church and Court Records Confirmation of Death and Burial in 1766 of Evan Sr and Evan, Jr in Bucks County

Bucks County

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BYThe first record known to belong to Evan in Philadelphia area was at the Montogmery Baptist Church. He may however arrived a little earlier.  Evan Thomas arrived in Hilltown with his wife, Mary, and four children in 1721—Evan, Jr., Richard, Diana and Joseph in 1721. Here he became a large land holder. There has been a great deal of confusion caused as to which land records belong to him and which to his son, Evan Jr. Land and court records didn’t often differentiate between father and son. However, church records always did—therein lies the answer.

Father and Son almost certainly die in Bucks County, c1765 and 1766

Evan Thomas Sr. died in Hilltown in probably in very late 1765 confirmed by the following facts from Mathews, Historian, Bucks County land records, and NBBC church records. Evan Sr was dismissed to New Britain Baptist Church in 1755 where he remained until his death. He is missing from the flawed 1764 list of members living  (see cross outs in list above) and those "belonging"** to the church, possibly because  he was no longer active in the church (and therefore not considered to belong) or he died earlier and it was not recorded until 1766 when Joseph was leaving for VA.  His death was noteworthy as his son, Joseph, was ordained there. His son-in-law, John Mathew, was a deacon. Evan, himself along with wife, Mary, had come from the first Baptist church in Wales to become a very early member at Montogmery and in 1755 one of the earlier member at New Britain Baptist Church. However, in no way is his absence for the list proof that he had left the area.  The absence of any record  that he had left for VA is far more significant.

The first death and burial in NBBC records is Brother Evan Thomas on Jan. 1, 1766. Edward Mathews writes that he found an entry for Evan Thomas’ (Sr. ) death in New Britain Baptist Church records for Jan. 1 1776 (1766?). He quotes from church book: "1776, January 1st; Evan Thomas died." However, this is not the correct date--likely a typo. It is also possible he had died be a while before and it was recorded then because his son was leaving   There is a New Britain land record for 1774 which refers to the land of the late Evan Thomas. Since Evan had died about 8 years earlier in Bucks County the surveyors knew of his death.

There is another entry from church book: "Jan 1st. 1766, Brother Evan Thomas was dead and buried at the Society." Both records would without much doubt apply to Evan Sr. as church records always differentiated with a suffix when they were referring to Evan Jr--in 1758 in his dismission to NBBC and in the last entry for him in 1764 in the membership list--meaning his father was still alive at that time and in the area. Church records appeared to be very consistent in using Jr to indicate a son.  They certainly would have been in the case of a death. Another way is which Evan Sr was differentiated from Jr was in the spelling of the surname Jr's was always spelled in full--Thomas, while Sr' s was abbreviated To Thos.

Orphan Court Records also confirm that Evan Jr. died in 1766. So  Evan Sr. and his son, Evan, Jr. died within a year of each other. Evan Jr. died intestate as did his father.  Bonds were posted for the estate and Margaret was appointed administratrix on May 6, 1766, meaning he had died shortly before that.  Also his inventory includes corn, wheat and and rye in the ground meaning he was very likely alive at the time of spring planting in 1766.  His death was not recorded at the church because this was still often not always recorded.  In fact the only other record for 1766 mentioned several members requested dismissal to follow Joseph Thomas to Virginia.  The next death is in 1767.

Given that Edward Mathews, was not only an expert on local Baptist church records and but also an Evan Thomas Sr. descendant, considered the entry he found "significant" and found it to apply to Evan, Sr, it is very unlikely otherwise. That would be consistent with other church book entries. Mathews stayed in the Hilltown area his whole life, writing much about its history in the mid to late 19th century being privy to much oral history of Bucks County. 

He had the advantage of seeing all the various records from the church at one time allowing him to know which applied to father and which to son. Without that same advantage careful assessment is needed to know to which Evan the January entries applied to avoid mistaking them for Evan, Jr. Such an assumption as led researchers to confuse father and son, as well as, on at least one occasion Evan Sr. was confused with an Evan in Loudoun County who died in 1757. However, there is documentation that these men are not the same person.  Among other things, in addition to Mathews' confirmation Evan Sr. was buried 1766 in Bucks County, these two men used clearly different marks on documents in 1755 & 1757 and had completely different children--an absolute case of mistaken identity.

Such was Mathews stature as an expert on these records it would have to be proven that entry didn't belong to Evan Sr. before it can be considered to be anyone else's.

It is interesting to note that before Evan Sr.'s death is recorded an entry in December of 1765 that his son, Joseph, has been given permission to go to Loudoun County to found a Baptist church. In Jan. 1766 there is a note that several people of the Baptist persuasion are going with him.  Maybe Joseph felt he could leave now that his father had died.

Even if one were not to accept that 1766 church book entry applies to Evan, Sr.  He would have died earlier in Bucks, as there is nothing anywhere that even suggests he left. He was an elderly man and would not have moved to a new location.  His children were all in Bucks.

**A great deal has been made by some researchers about the New Britain Baptist Church's 1764 membership list and the fact that Evan Thomas, Sr was not on it. They claimed this meant he was dead. However, the heading of the list is "an account of all the member now living and belonging to the Church of New Britain". The word belonging is critical to the interpretation of who would be included and who might be excluded. A multitude of writings by Christian theologians describe "belonging to" as a step greater than membership--it means active participation and commitment to the church and its people. If one were unable or uninterested in active involvement one could still be a member of the church but not belong to the group. That means someone of Evan's age easily could have no longer actively participated as in belonging but still be a member. It can not be assumed that he was dead possibly just infirm. Hence, a logical explanation for his missing from the list in 1764 but later appearing as dead and buried at the Society. That renders the list irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. The reason all Baptist churches in the area compiled these lists was to be able to provide an accounting of all active members to the Philadelphia Baptist Association.

Further comment on Edward Mathews qualifications:

Beware of those who rewrite history by manipulating existing documentary evidence-especially when it is written to understate or overstate the meaning and appear as fact to fit their theory. This definitely is happening here in the case with Mathews work and the idea that Loudoun Evan and Hilltown Evan are one man. 

Edward Mathews is my primary source of Hilltown Thomas info.  He had direct contact with his Evan Thomas ancestors who would have known Evan's daughter, Diana.  His grandfather,Diana's son Benjamin, was alive when Evan Thomas was alive. He was a Justice of the Peace in 1764, 1770 and 1774,  a prominent man in New Britain and a deacon in the New Britain church. He would have been alive for the Reverend Joseph Mathias to interview for his manuscript "The Early Welsh Settlers of Hilltown". 

With this kind of contact Edward Mathews' oral history would be exacting. He was  an expert on local records.  He would have known which of his immigrant ancestors were buried where.  If he intends to create the impression that Evan senior died c1766 in New Britain it is not to be easily or casualy rejected--he knew this church, its history, its people and its records.  He knew the Evan Thomas family and their history.  In all likelihood he saw a tombstone and more. 

In addition to being a Thomas descendant, he was related to the Rev. Joseph Mathias, who researched and chronicled the earliest history of the area.  Mathews wrote commentary on Mathias chronicle as an addendum to the work.  Mathias and his wife Dianah, granddaughter of Evan Thomas, lived during his life time to provide oral history about their ancestors, one of whom was Evan Thomas of Hilltown.  Evan's daughter, Diana lived to 1799.  She lived to share oral Thomas history with the Mathias.  Edward Mathews was eminently qualified as a Hilltown/New Britain historian.  He had access to more first hand information than any of us does today. His was a far different type of history from those genealogy volumes which contain so many error. So when there is No word of Evan going to VA., however, is indication of Evan's death c1766, it's Extremely unlikely he is in error.  It needs to be proven Mathews' was wrong about the church entry for it to be denied--not with crazy manipulation of documentary evidence but with real honest to goodness, rock solid evidence.

He wrote about the information he already had.  He didn't try to fill in blanks where he didn't have it which is what has caused so many errors in written genealogy.  It is exactly what is happening with those above mentioned researchers who are trying to make it appear by manipulating documents that Evan, Sr. in the Evan who died in Loudoun in 1757.

From introduction to "Wandering through Historic Hilltown", (Edward Mathews) by Harry C Adams,1996.

"Mathews was a relentless researcher---there is much good history here--drawn from manuscript records and Mathews' outstanding ability to relate to the oral history of his time." "He was also dedicated to recording the history of all his forebearers...."

So man dedicated his life to this and had ample opportunities to know the story of Evan Thomas, Sr. He presented papers about him and his descendants before the Bucks County Historical Society. He never said the Evan Sr left Bucks County for Virginia, which he would have known if it were true. Instead he uses a quote, perhaps paraphrased, from either the New Britain Baptist Church Book or its minute book, to inform his readers that Evan's death is recorded on Jan 1, 1766.

In no way is it disproven that this was Evan Sr he meant by knowing that Evan, Jr. definitely was alive in 1764 and his death occurred 1766, probably April, based on court records. These records are dated May 6, 1766. The date of the first probate hearing--there is no indication anywhere that it was "underway" prior to then. That slippery language again. Although occasionally, probate began more than a few weeks after the death, this was highly unusual--especially if there were heirs, minor children and creditors, which there were. That very strongly indicates Evan Jr. died about mid April, 1766. To say anything else is a long stretch. Another attempt to make records fit the theory. This is the only standard that applied to any materials sited in the Loudoun Evan theory.

Then finally to that beloved 1764 membership list, the statement is made that Evan Sr. definitely would have been on it were he alive. That is ridiculous. There are many reasons why he would not have been. That list proves one thing only--Evan, Jr. was alive and was always referred to as Evan, Jr. Certainly the clerk would have been as careful when he recorded a death in distinguishing between father and son.

 

 

 

Edward Mathews, Historian and Hilltown Thomas Descendant

 Mathews is my primary source of Hilltown Thomas info.  He had direct contact with his Evan Thomas ancestors who would have known Evan's daughter, Dianah.  His oral history would be exacting. He was  an expert on local records.  If he indicates Evan senior died c1766 in New Britain and was buried in the New Britain Baptist Church cementery, as is Mathews and his family, it is not to be rejected--he knew this church, its history and records.  He knew the Evan Thomas family and their history.  

His writing style was that of a newspaper writer who included direct quotes from a source for documentation rather that footnote.  In this case he is telling the reader that that Evan had died c1766 by quoting the church book.  If one is going reject this they should strong proof that it isn't so. Those who are tyring to do so to meet their own needs have no proof, what so ever, just false presentation of what various documents mean. He cannot be equated to those publishing company or family genralogies that were pumped out in late 19th century.  He lived and researched in the same area.  He saw many things and knew much oral history, that today's researchers can't access. 

He is also a descendant of the Rev. William Thomas, Hilltown, who was Richard Thomas' next door neighbor in early Hilltown. 

Mathews fell ill while visiting his niece in New Britain and died New Years Day, 1916, at 79. He was buried with four generations of his family on the grounds of the New Britain Baptist Church.

More on his background and credibility are in attached pages.

Why Evan d.1757 Loudoun County is not Evan, Sr. from Hilltown

As I have asked you not to use my materials if you think the two men are same I owe you an explanation about a reason.  I consider this theory from the marriage of Jonas Potts, farmer to a Thomas daughter, pure speculation built on imigination and coincidence. For more info on the theory use the link on this site to the page about Loudoun Evan. MY reasons:

 1.Loudoun Evan Doesn't Mention Bucks County or Bucks County Children

No where does Loudoun Evan's will say anything about Bucks County or (mention any connection in any way with Bucks County) Nor that he even lived in PA, although he may have--somewhere, any place in the colony. He makes reference to buying horses from two named men in somewhere Pennsylvania--nothing more specific. "Had of" meant bought from or got from in colonial times. Men named Evan Thomas with wives named Ann were common in PA, MD, VA or Wales in 1757, any of whom could have bought horses from any Edward Mathew and any Paul Martin anywhere in PA as they migrated to Virginia. All Welsh names were extremely common. Please.

2.Evan, Sr. no Contact with Potts and Bursons

Nor is there the least bit of evidence that Evan of Hilltown lived near or even knew the Potts or Bursons in Bucks County. It's this kind of stretching that is written to look like fact that is very troublesome. Please, present things that are known to have been. This is the problem with this whole presentation. You are a masterful presenter!

3.Nor is there any evidence Evan of Hilltown went to VA. Yes, Mathews said Bernard Young went, however, he doesn't say Evan Thomas went. This would have been important information. Of course he omitted it because he wanted to make a mistake and indicate that Evan's death is recorded in the church book in Bucks in 1766. We all know he was that kind writer. If he'd said he'd gone to VA that would have spoiled the story.

 Of course, with no proof the Evan went to VA, the exact date of his death doesn't matter--still likely to have died in New Britain.

4. For two years Evan of Hilltown is consistent in how he signed documents with his mark, a backward E. Now suddenly he is so sick that he makes his E the standard way only six weeks later. Being sick helped him make his E correctly? Give me a break.

Loudoun Evan knew the boundaries and dimensions of his land. He knew the names of the men from whom he bought horses, and he doesn't make his mark the way he has for two years because he's sick. No way--he makes his mark differently from Hilltown Evan because they are different men. Nice try though. Gives us all a chance to see how your evidence works.

Evan of Hilltown, who had once signed in full, now uses a mark. He is the one who was obviously in poor health as early as 1755. But two years later in poor health at age c70, he makes the long, difficult trip to VA in an old wagon to resettle on the frontier. Give me a break.

So we have 3 phantom children, phantom relationships, no mention of Bucks County children anywhere. A church membership list they claim is not flawed but clearly is-- a prime piece of their story. A highly regarded historian who is quoted when the purpose fits the theory and is totally trashed if he makes the theory impossible. This goes on and on. Sorry, not buying today. Only irrefutable solid evidence--like DNA--will give this wonderful tale credibility.

 

From introduction to Wandering through Historic Hilltown, (Edward Mathews) by Harry C Adams,

"Mathews was a relentless researcher---there is much good history here--drawn from manuscript records and Mathews' outstanding ability to relate to the oral history of his time." "He was also dedicated to recording the history of all his forebearers...."

So the man dedicated his life to this and had ample opportunities to know the story of Evan Thomas, Sr. He presented papers about him and his descendants before the Bucks County Historical Society. He never said the Evan Sr left Bucks County for Virginia, which he would have known if it were true. Instead he uses a quote, perhaps paraphrased, from either the New Britain Baptist Church Book or its minute book, to inform his readers that Evan's death is recorded on Jan 1, 1766.

In no way is it disproven that this was Evan Sr he meant by knowing that Evan, Jr. definitely was alive in 1764 and his death occurred 1766, probably April, based on court records. These records are dated May 6, 1766. The date of the first probate hearing--there is no indication anywhere that it was "underway" prior to then. That slippery language again. Although occasionally, probate began more than a few weeks after the death, this was highly unusual--especially if there were heirs, minor children and creditors, which there were. That very strongly indicates Evan Jr. died about mid April, 1766. To say anything else is a long stretch. Another attempt to make records fit the theory. This is the only standard that applied to any materials sited in the theory.

5. Then finally to that beloved 1764 membership list, the statement is made that Evan Sr. definitely would have been on it were he alive. That is ridiculous. There are many reasons why he would not have been. For one thing the list is flawed--despite assertions to the contrary. A name is crossed out and changed twice. Evan may have no longer belonged, despite the baseless assertion that he was a prominent member. That list proves one thing only--Evan, Jr. was alive and was always referred to as Evan, Jr. Certainly the clerk would have been as careful when he recorded a death in distinguishing between father and son.

6.However, while trashing Mathews who only wrote about information he had, he didn't try to fill in the blanks, why errors occur, there is heavy reliance on just the sort of work that did try to fill in all the missing pieces leading to errors.. It is a volume of Potts family history by, I believe, Thomas Maxwell Potts. Again that wonderful standard of scrutiny--use what fits the theory regardless of its credibility--disregard anything that doesn't fit regardless of its source. This is exactly how Loudoun Evan's reference to buying horses in PA in his will got to be that he lived in New Britain, PA and migrated to VA--regardless of his physical condition, his wife's and his wagon's. And difference in children and marks. All things that would make most of us very hesitant about the idea. Instead they are actively promoting it.

The genesis of this entire theory is a quote from Potts about Jonas Potts, farmer, "He is said to have been married twice---" and a loosely worded will that mentions a son-in-law Jonas Potts (farmer or smith not known as it may not have the traditional usage of son-in-law). In this will is no mention of daughter or children which there usually would have been.

Some loosely worded will written in VA trumps writing from first hand knowledge by Hilltown historian, written in Bucks County. I don't think so. The whole thing is built on couple of horse traders from somewhere in PA and two researchers with active imaginations who view their genealogical skills to be superior to mine, yours and Mathews. DNA please, this is overconfidence.

It is very significant that not only is probate initiated late if it applied to a Jan death. Orphan court hearings were initiated even later. For a January death it normally would have been the March court, which was held in 1766 and no later than the June court which was also held that year.. Evan, Jr.'s was September 1766 for the first hearing, followed the one in December 1766 where guardians were appointed for two of the minor children. Almost a year after January 1, 1766. This is an exceptionally long time. Again, all this indicates the likelihood that Junior's death was mid April and almost the certainty that it was a while after January 1.

 7. As to the idea that there would not have been 2 Evan Thomases in the 1750's buying horses in Bucks County, the following illustrates why there very likely were--even though both need not have lived in Bucks County and certainly not both in New Britain.

A perfect example of how likely it was and how common Welsh names were in the colonies is Loudoun Evan's son, James and wife, Ann. They were not the only James and Ann Thomas who owned and sold property in colonial Loudoun County in the 1760's. There was also James Thomas, surveyor, who was married to Ann Gerrard. This James was son of James Thomas, who was a surveyor for Lord Fairfax. They acquired a great deal of land in Loudoun County--any James and Ann Thomas could be confused with them. Evan's son sold his property in 1765 with wife Ann on the deed. This land was on north side of Short Hill and had been to sold by Jonas Potts, smith, who had acquired from David Potts who had acquired from Catesby Cocke. Don't ever assume that you have the right Thomas. When moving a Thomas out the place where he has been for 36 years, as always, one must have rock solid proof that it is exactly the same person.

What is the point of genealogy, if a family tree doesn't have the right people!

 

What I consider facts: Edward Mathews states in a newspaper article that the NBBC Church says "January 1, 1776 (typo 1766) died Evan Thomas" when he is talking about Evan Sr and New Britain.. That is a fact that he said that. It is also that 1776 is a typo--by Mathews, or more likely some one copying a handwritten article. Mathews indicates the date he intends by saying more than 10 years after 1755. This quote could be a paraphrase of the church book or he could have seen other records. This is not a big deal--does not change the fact that his intent is to tell Evan, Sr's death is recorded in 1766 in NB. Another fact is Mathews would have been well aware there was an Evan Jr, as in addition to being familiar with Evan's family, he was familiar the books, records and church history that clearly refers to junior. It is a fact that a meticulous researcher would seldom if ever confuse the two.

  The church always used junior when referred to Evan, Jr. That is a fact. For me that is confirmation that Evan Sr. died in New Britain. However, I am not manipulating anything, I am stating that I see that as confirmation. That is a fact. I do not have to accept Dave's interpretation as fact. Nor do I have to disprove his theory--he has to prove it. That's the way it works when a new concept is introduced. I have no obligation to prove my research beyond what I have said to him. Dave Osborne no matter how hard he tries is not an arbiter of what is a fact. But he is very good at attempting over and over to distract from the problems with his theory by constantly trying to be.

 In addition it is a fact that probate usually began closer to death than 4 months and orphan court sooner than 9 months. Those are facts, I combined those facts with other facts to rule out the Jan 1 death as that of Evan, Jr. There was no manipulation, just statement of facts. Another fact is that NBBC was just beginning to record deaths in 1766 and may not have been doing it consistently even then. That combined with the other facts I have stated makes it possible that Evan, Jr.'s death was not recorded. There is no manipulation--if the book had said Evan Jr and I said oh well they really meant senior that would not be a fact and it would be manipulation--but I didn't do that. However, someone else did that by saying it doesn't matter if junior isn't there--because of course he knows they decided to do it differently this time--that is manipulation and not fact.

 The 1764 list only proves two things. Evan, Jr is on it and he is always called jr by the church. That is a fact. It can not be used to prove Evan, Sr. wasn't there. It can be said if one wishes by those who want to deny the truth of Mathews statement about Sr. that he wasn't on list, so he might not have been there. That's as far as they can go.

 This is nothing but a pure red herring to continually harp on this issue. For me to take some statement as proof that something is fact is my prerogative. I am entitled to think for myself. This whole business is nothing but an attempt to discredit me and to distract from my criticism of their theory and requesting proof. Of course, this is the main focus because if Dave doesn't discredit me, others will probably accept Mathews' statement and the theory is down the drain once and for all. I won't be intimidated by this though no matter how many times it's repeated. It has become just plain silly.

  No matter how much Dave belittles me he can't take away from the short comings of his theory. Regardless of what he says I feel no lost of credibility. His tactic is obvious. He is responsible for the tension that exists by continually making these statements. So be it. I have seen this act before on another broad when someone dared to disagree with him. As soon as I said that I didn't think the theory was at all possible, the onslaught of the UPPER CASE LETTERS began. Upper case is shouting in email and I am immediately turned off. It has persisted for two years in one form or another. I haven't changed my mind an iota, in FACT I am more convinced than ever that my conclusions based on what I consider fact are correct. The facts that I have sited are given extra weight by the fact that there is nothing to make me think that it couldn't have been Evan, Sr. This theory that is being promoted is full of holes, one of the most prominent being that there is no mention anywhere of Bucks County or Evan's children in Bucks County. That is extremely unusual if he had actually left there only six weeks before. That certainly would be more importantly than who sold him horses. That was immaterial.

 It is too bad because a friendly exchange helps everyone solve problems, but if becomes adversarial when there is disagreement it is very unpleasant and no common ground is found.

 All the documents I site are posted on Fold3 and I would suggest anyone who is interested in this saga take a look for themselves. You do have to spend time thinking about what seems most logical.

 

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